General Election

alex04w

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Here we go again, its only a matter of time before the star in this solar system stops working too.

No empire lasts for ever - Medes, Persian, Roman, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, British.....

Even that great federal monolith on the other side of the Atlantic is showing signs of problems.

Europe will fail, history teaches us that. The only question is when. Some argue for imminent and others bury their head in the sand and say never. Both are probably wrong.

Personally I would say the European empire will be one of the shorter ones.
 
No empire lasts for ever - Medes, Persian, Roman, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, British.....

Even that great federal monolith on the other side of the Atlantic is showing signs of problems.

Europe will fail, history teaches us that. The only question is when. Some argue for imminent and others bury their head in the sand and say never. Both are probably wrong.

That's my point. However, the amount of times it's been gotten wrong on this and other forums should worry a few in their thinking.
 
No empire lasts for ever - Medes, Persian, Roman, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, British.....

Even that great federal monolith on the other side of the Atlantic is showing signs of problems.

Europe will fail, history teaches us that. The only question is when. Some argue for imminent and others bury their head in the sand and say never. Both are probably wrong.

Personally I would say the European empire will be one of the shorter ones.

Seems you are correct. I'm afraid you can also add the UK to your failing list. Germany might one day soon say they will no longer foot the bill for the weaker economies in the EU, bringing the whole thing down.
In the UK we have England and more specifically London being sucked dry by NI, Scotland and Wales. Each of them having their own devolved parliament. NI especially a massive drain on resources and an EU remainer into the bargain. In the free for all of the future UK regions will have to cut ties and make it alone.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
I think you are wrong.The Tory candidates are pre selected.They have a bias towards hard brexit this time.May never was a committed remainer,she just sat on the fence.If she had passionately believed in Europe and remain,she would not be able deliver brexit.Either that or she is one of the worst opportunist career politicians.

No, she is pragmatic but she was a committed remainer just read some of speeches from before Brexit. She is well aware of the task ahead and probably knows it's a poison challis she is holding.
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/04/theresa-mays-speech-on-brexit-full-text.html
 

Two Tone

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Mixed Farmer
No empire lasts for ever - Medes, Persian, Roman, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, British.....

Even that great federal monolith on the other side of the Atlantic is showing signs of problems.

Europe will fail, history teaches us that. The only question is when. Some argue for imminent and others bury their head in the sand and say never. Both are probably wrong.

Personally I would say the European empire will be one of the shorter ones.
Before 23/6/2016 I asked these questions and posed these answers:

Will the EU exist in 5 Years time? Certainly
Will it exist in 10 years? Probably
How about 15 years? Maybe,
What about 25 years ? Probably not
Will the EU exist in 50 years? Definitely NOT!

Since 23/6/2016, what numbers do we replace the 5,10,15,25 and 50 years with?
Or do we change the word years for months?
 
No, she is pragmatic but she was a committed remainer just read some of speeches from before Brexit. She is well aware of the task ahead and probably knows it's a poison challis she is holding.
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/04/theresa-mays-speech-on-brexit-full-text.html

Isn't she in reality a nobody! What has she ever achieved in politics? Isn't she PM by pure chance of circumstance? She delivered article 50, but was only the water carrier! Others did the work!! Didn't she make an absolute mess of the letter declaring article 50 by making security cooperation a sort of threat! I'm having more and more doubts about her as a proper Brexit PM.
 

arbel

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Pembrokeshire
Isn't she in reality a nobody! What has she ever achieved in politics? Isn't she PM by pure chance of circumstance? She delivered article 50, but was only the water carrier! Others did the work!! Didn't she make an absolute mess of the letter declaring article 50 by making security cooperation a sort of threat! I'm having more and more doubts about her as a proper Brexit PM.
At the end of the day, are we not all nobodies? Are we not all dictated to by circumstances? What exactly would you be expecting your "proper' Brexit PM to do any differently?
 

arbel

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Pembrokeshire

Honest john

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Fenland
I think you maybe presupposing something here. It could well be the case that she is looking for an increased majority so she doesn't have to humour the hard-line Brexiteers during her negotiations with Europe. After all she is a remainer as is her constituency, and she plays her cards very close to her chest, so who knows.

As its a post from France, I will Quote from the news today.
GB's deficit is now back to 2.6 % of GDP. Not great but much better since Brexit.

It makes me wonder how France's Deficit is going under your left wing Govenment, & it's looking like the Fench will vote in a clone of the current socialist party.
This new younger Blair called Macron is even inspiring the old tired version our own Tony to come back to save the world.
 

jendan

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Northumberland
At the end of the day, are we not all nobodies? Are we not all dictated to by circumstances? What exactly would you be expecting your "proper' Brexit PM to do any differently?

She should have a hard rock Brexit election manifesto! Absolutely no equivocation! Red red lines in the sand. NO immigration! Not one single penny of a Brexit bill to be paid! Lay out her terms of free trade deal with EU! No jurisdiction in UK by ECJ! Electorate will back her! EU will crap themselves.
She has her chance now to lay it on the line to the EU AND to the people of Britain. Back a proper Brexit or sack it. Back her to do it or sack her. You can't get one without the other if you really mean Brexit!
 

arbel

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Pembrokeshire
She should have a hard rock Brexit election manifesto! Absolutely no equivocation! Red red lines in the sand. NO immigration! Not one single penny of a Brexit bill to be paid! Lay out her terms of free trade deal with EU! No jurisdiction in UK by ECJ! Electorate will back her! EU will crap themselves.
She has her chance now to lay it on the line to the EU AND to the people of Britain. Back a proper Brexit or sack it. Back her to do it or sack her. You can't get one without the other if you really mean Brexit!
Once this General Election is out of the way, I expect to see some action along the lines that you suggest. I'm not so sure we actually should go for zero immigration, but certainly a much more tightly controlled situation than at present.
 

Muck Spreader

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Limousin
As its a post from France, I will Quote from the news today.
GB's deficit is now back to 2.6 % of GDP. Not great but much better since Brexit.

It makes me wonder how France's Deficit is going under your left wing Govenment, & it's looking like the Fench will vote in a clone of the current socialist party.
This new younger Blair called Macron is even inspiring the old tired version our own Tony to come back to save the world.

A. Brexit hasn't happened yet.
B. What has France got to do with it?
 

Muck Spreader

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Limousin
Having read her speech, I would hardly say that TM was a committed Remainer. Read it again!

I think you must be reading something else. In the speech I am looking at, she gives a good review of the the benefits and disadvantages of being a member of the EU, and clearly sees it as beneficial to the UK's future prosperity and security. :scratchhead:

A very interesting quote that I wasn't aware of: "We have a trade surplus in services with the rest of the EU of £17 billion" There could be a big chunk of money to loose out of that.
 
I think you must be reading something else. In the speech I am looking at, she gives a good review of the the benefits and disadvantages of being a member of the EU, and clearly sees it as beneficial to the UK's future prosperity and security. :scratchhead:

A very interesting quote that I wasn't aware of: "We have a trade surplus in services with the rest of the EU of £17 billion" There could be a big chunk of money to loose out of that.

Read somewhere today that EU are putting financial services outside any forthcoming trade agreement. I'm not surprised now seeing as we have such a huge surplus (n)
EU bureaucrats better be as dumb and incompetent as we believe them to be when it comes to the negotiations. Marginally dumber than our own crew would suffice. Wonder is that possible :ROFLMAO:
 

bovrill

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A very interesting quote that I wasn't aware of: "We have a trade surplus in services with the rest of the EU of £17 billion" There could be a big chunk of money to loose out of that.
With a £60 billion total trade deficit with the EU, that must mean we have a goods deficit of £77bn!

(Apparently £25bn of that total deficit is with Germany alone, which should give them a bit of incentive to keep things amicable!)
 

arbel

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Pembrokeshire
I think you must be reading something else. In the speech I am looking at, she gives a good review of the the benefits and disadvantages of being a member of the EU, and clearly sees it as beneficial to the UK's future prosperity and security. :scratchhead:

A very interesting quote that I wasn't aware of: "We have a trade surplus in services with the rest of the EU of £17 billion" There could be a big chunk of money to loose out of that.
To quote the lady from her speech: -

"But before I do that, I want to deal with several arguments that should not count. The first is that, in the twenty-first century, Britain is too small a country to cope outside the European Union. That is nonsense. We are the fifth biggest economy in the world, we are growing faster than any economy in the G7, and we attract nearly a fifth of all foreign investment in the EU. We have a military capable of projecting its power around the world, intelligence services that are second to none, and friendships and alliances that go far beyond Europe. We have the greatest soft power in the world, we sit in exactly the right time zone for global trade, and our language is the world’s language. Of course Britain could cope outside the European Union."


She was a Remainer, I agree. But clearly, in my mind, not entirely enthusiastic. That's my take on matters. But of course, depending on ones views, we can all give these things a different interpretation. However, there is no denying that she has stated her intention to follow through with the democratic vote taken back last June.

As for losing out on the trade surplus in services, take a more positive view. The UK is damned good at offering trade services. Why should we lose out? The opposite view could just as easily be taken that this sector could be expanded. You see, it all depends on ones angle on things. Lets see how it all looks in a few years time. I hope to be able to do so. :joyful::joyful:
 

Muck Spreader

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To quote the lady from her speech: -

"But before I do that, I want to deal with several arguments that should not count. The first is that, in the twenty-first century, Britain is too small a country to cope outside the European Union. That is nonsense. We are the fifth biggest economy in the world, we are growing faster than any economy in the G7, and we attract nearly a fifth of all foreign investment in the EU. We have a military capable of projecting its power around the world, intelligence services that are second to none, and friendships and alliances that go far beyond Europe. We have the greatest soft power in the world, we sit in exactly the right time zone for global trade, and our language is the world’s language. Of course Britain could cope outside the European Union."


She was a Remainer, I agree. But clearly, in my mind, not entirely enthusiastic. That's my take on matters. But of course, depending on ones views, we can all give these things a different interpretation. However, there is no denying that she has stated her intention to follow through with the democratic vote taken back last June.

As for losing out on the trade surplus in services, take a more positive view. The UK is damned good at offering trade services. Why should we lose out? The opposite view could just as easily be taken that this sector could be expanded. You see, it all depends on ones angle on things. Lets see how it all looks in a few years time. I hope to be able to do so. :joyful::joyful:

In that paragraph she isn't saying anything most folk wouldn't agree with, myself included, I might question soft power and the future relevance of time zones. But in no way does she think it a good or sensible idea. She had evidently thought a lot more about the implications of Brexit than the idiot Johnson or Gove at the time.
 
To quote the lady from her speech: -

"But before I do that, I want to deal with several arguments that should not count. The first is that, in the twenty-first century, Britain is too small a country to cope outside the European Union. That is nonsense. We are the fifth biggest economy in the world, we are growing faster than any economy in the G7, and we attract nearly a fifth of all foreign investment in the EU. We have a military capable of projecting its power around the world, intelligence services that are second to none, and friendships and alliances that go far beyond Europe. We have the greatest soft power in the world, we sit in exactly the right time zone for global trade, and our language is the world’s language. Of course Britain could cope outside the European Union."


She was a Remainer, I agree. But clearly, in my mind, not entirely enthusiastic. That's my take on matters. But of course, depending on ones views, we can all give these things a different interpretation. However, there is no denying that she has stated her intention to follow through with the democratic vote taken back last June.

As for losing out on the trade surplus in services, take a more positive view. The UK is damned good at offering trade services. Why should we lose out? The opposite view could just as easily be taken that this sector could be expanded. You see, it all depends on ones angle on things. Lets see how it all looks in a few years time. I hope to be able to do so. :joyful::joyful:

So we attract a fifth of all foreign investment into the EU. That's says a lot for sure. I ask myself how much of that foreign investment is designated as investment in the EU (500m people) as opposed to UK (50m people) as we happen to be in the EU and speak English. Will we still attract it after we leave? Aren't some that are already here cutting scale and shifting people and some of the business to Frankfurt? What promise did the PM make to Nissan? Why was that necessary? The whole shooting match is very cloudy I must admit. She keeps all her cards very close to her chest all the time. Giving her a huge majority without her spelling out the plan is a dumb move for the people to make. Why would anyone sign a contract without first seeing the finest of the fine detail?
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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