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spin cycle

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Location
north norfolk
But not every farm can be inspected by the same person, a tidy place in my eyes might look like a hellhole to someone else.

not really sure where you're going with this:scratchhead:..ok take your point...but how does paperwork negate the problem?

if a farmer can explain his methods verbally and demonstrate them physically (eg show the rodent bait station) to an inspector... then what good is a lot paperwork that can be made up?
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
not really sure where you're going with this:scratchhead:..ok take your point...but how does paperwork negate the problem?

if a farmer can explain his methods verbally and demonstrate them physically (eg show the rodent bait station) to an inspector... then what good is a lot paperwork that can be made up?

This aspect of RT annoys me most of all. My brain hasn't deteriorated to such an extent that I can't remember where my rat bait stations are or when they need checking. It takes me longer to fill in the paperwork than inspect and maintain the stations. It's the same with stored grain. It's not rocket science that warm wet grain needs dealing with quickly. Messing about with calibrated thermometers and writing down the bleeding obvious just wastes valuable time.
 

S J H

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
not really sure where you're going with this:scratchhead:..ok take your point...but how does paperwork negate the problem?

if a farmer can explain his methods verbally and demonstrate them physically (eg show the rodent bait station) to an inspector... then what good is a lot paperwork that can be made up?

There needs to be paperwork and box ticking it can't be down to one inspectors' interpretation.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I never understood why grain quality and hygiene wasn't a self policing matter. If I was a merchant I would be taking an interest in my customers storage standards myself, not relying on Red Tractor.

Isn't the merchant rejecting a load sufficient penalty for a slip up, without having to activate the Red Tractor layer, which is purely bureaucratic and doesn't necessarily reflect the situation on the ground.?
 

spin cycle

Member
Location
north norfolk
There needs to be paperwork and box ticking it can't be down to one inspectors' interpretation.

why?.....all paperwork proves is that the farmer is thinking about what he's doing....or just sitting down one wet day with a load of different coloured pens and writing it up?

i'd suggest an inspector who can't interpret isn't up to the job

whats needed is an 'app' linked to a calendar that automatically generates ficticious records which can be printed out as and when
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
I never understood why grain quality and hygiene wasn't a self policing matter. If I was a merchant I would be taking an interest in my customers storage standards myself, not relying on Red Tractor.

Isn't the merchant rejecting a load sufficient penalty for a slip up, without having to activate the Red Tractor layer, which is purely bureaucratic and doesn't necessarily reflect the situation on the ground.?

Precisely. It's not like supermarkets who are so large, compared to their customers that they could pretty much make up their own rules, hence the need for FSA etc.
 

Badshot

Member
Location
Kent
If we were inspected by the end users I can guarantee half the stores in the country would get condemned as unfit for purpose.
Is that really what you folks want?

I dislike it all as much as anyone, but do be careful what you wish for. Turkeys voting for Christmas rings a bell.
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
why?.....all paperwork proves is that the farmer is thinking about what he's doing....or just sitting down one wet day with a load of different coloured pens and writing it up?

whats needed is an 'app' linked to a calendar that automatically generates ficticious records which can be printed out as and when
Now just one like is not enough for that:)
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
why?.....all paperwork proves is that the farmer is thinking about what he's doing....or just sitting down one wet day with a load of different coloured pens and writing it up?

whats needed is an 'app' linked to a calendar that automatically generates ficticious records which can be printed out as and when

This is a valid point , we should be able to upload data to RT immediately at the point of operation , writing stuff down is so old hat.
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
If we were inspected by the end users I can guarantee half the stores in the country would get condemned as unfit for purpose.
Is that really what you folks want?

I dislike it all as much as anyone, but do be careful what you wish for. Turkeys voting for Christmas rings a bell.
Speak to anyone who works in a mill that supplies Tesco etc:eek:
Unannounced inspections, thorough ones at that, apparently.
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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