Where's all cattle gone?

Weasel

Member
Location
in the hills
Can anyone else see the cattle industry going away from big continental breeds back into smaller "hill" breeds you would say, that are low input with more outwintering and then putting more messed up ground under the plough?


Yes without a doubt. No need for messed up ground if their out wintered on the hill tho, make a hard stand (y)
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Is spreading fertiliser low input?
Is one man land wage divided over less than 200 cows low input? Who's to say.

I know what you're driving at, everything has it's point of balance.

Soil organic matter and well managed clover could well produce more N than old pp can utilize, at that point the old grass is actually wasting money.

If reseeding up's production with the same inputs, keeps weeds down, reduces parasite burden, and ups N fixing plants etc. it can be efficient beyond costs.

I'm not sure focussing on input alone is the way to run a business. I know plenty of low input guys who don't sell as many calves as they could, don't get the value for stock that they could, and their place goes unimproved year in year out.
But they think that they are playing a blinder because they save a few quid on a few tonnes of feed or fertiser, don't spray any weeds and don't spend money updating facilities.
Yet if they divided their wage over their stock their costs are really very high due to the hours clocked up her head sold.
yes I know but we were talking about low input and that's why I put [whatever that is] in my first post
I spose you have to start from no input, we have some grass every year that gets nothing at all done to it but a cut of hay taken from it, this has been going on for the last 30 maybe 40 years, I don't think you can get much lower input than that, so when is it not low input,
 
you're quite right....thing is native breeds were developed to produce some food out of land that wasn't much good for anything else....but economics/regulations ect mean you cant really leave a beast wandering about for a few years and then say 'actually i think i'll eat him'
Why not? It's what I've been doing. (I try keeping them off the roads though)
 
Location
Cleveland
march and April often as bad as January /february up here. Winter usually starts end of October, sometimes get a lovely October or a week in November . I went down south in January once, they had grass, it was warm, yet they all had rugs on their horses and everyone wearing wooly hats, Mad, I was in a t shirt. Its another world
This reminds me of a farm sale me and dad went to in Colchester in about February time, when we were looking for a tractor....set off at 4am and it was cold up here woolly jumpers the lot, when we got down there we were in our t shirts, the local farmers were looking at us like we were mad as they were dolled up like like were going on a polar expedition
 
20 feet of snow! That I'd like to see. Houses must have disappeared?
Don't know of any houses round here, but remember on the news a house in N Ireland that was completed covered in snow which then froze solid so that the young couple who lived there were trapped inside for the better part of a week. And they had a young baby too. Scary.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Don't know of any houses round here, but remember on the news a house in N Ireland that was completed covered in snow which then froze solid so that the young couple who lived there were trapped inside for the better part of a week. And they had a young baby too. Scary.
Wouldn't they have ran out of air
 
When the subs go the correct stock for the farm will follow there will be no room for error there.
It's easy for us to speak loosely about payments coming off when we are so close to populated areas, but it could lead to a lot of the Highlands and Islands becoming unsustainable in their ways of life. You may be looking forward to such things, but this potential down side is not be something that I would like to see happen.
 

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