Charlottesville

Walterp

Walterp

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The domestic affairs of another country are, of course, nothing to do with us.

Unless you're the US, in which case our Prime Minister felt free to criticise Mr Trump over his view of the riots at Charlottesville - she declares that Mr Trump 'has a responsibility to condemn far-right views'.

I don't see it, myself: for starters Mr Trump wouldn't have a constituency if it weren't for said 'far-right views' and, anyway, it is absolutely none of our business.

The US is already the most-hated state on the planet, by a wide margin. We should not make it worse by commenting on their internal disturbances. Who would've guessed the Tory government was so liberal?

(He won't thank us for this, you know - that 'very big, very powerful trade deal' is already written off, if you ask me. No wonder the UK now wants to stay in the Customs Union. That, I suggest, is the unspoken sub-text.)

 
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Ashtree

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Walterp said:
The domestic affairs of another country are, of course, nothing to do with us.

Unless you're the US, in which case our Prime Minister felt free to criticise Mr Trump over his view of the riots at Charlottesville - she declares that Mr Trump 'has a responsibility to condemn far-right views'.

I don't see it, myself: for starters Mr Trump wouldn't have a constituency if it weren't for said 'far-right views' and, anyway, it is absolutely none of our business.

The US is already the most-hated state on the planet, by a wide margin. We should not make it worse by commenting on their internal disturbances.

(He won't thank us for this, you know - that 'very big, very powerful trade deal' is already written off, if you ask me. No wonder the UK now wants to stay in the Customs Union.)
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Remember Neville Chamberlin and "peace in our time"!
Well done to TM for calling it out.
Course many of the Brexit folks on this forum admire Trump(n) God only knows how or why:unsure:
 
Granite Farmer

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Trump condemned the violence by both the far left thugs and the far right thugs which was the right thing to do. You cannot keep giving the far left a free pass. If you want to find out what happened YouTube is filled to the brim of stuff about Charlottesville. Personally I would not even bother using the MSM find out about that happened there and why it happened.
 
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suffolksmallholder

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The funny thing is that not many years ago we'd never have got wind that such is going on in Charlottesville. It's the silly season so journalists are dredging for sensational news to wet our now insatiable appetites for the dramatic & horrible.....The extremists in the USA are a scary bunch.
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Roger Perry

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I think UK is screwed whatever you decide to do..........stay/go

Somehow you have talked yourselves into a position of inertia, afraid to jump one way or the other. The outcome of this is that you as a country do nothing..stand still........in reality if you stand still you are in effect going backwards.

Sad to see.
 
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Ashtree

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Roger Perry said:
I think UK is screwed whatever you decide to do..........stay/go

Somehow you have talked yourselves into a position of inertia, afraid to jump one way or the other. The outcome of this is that you as a country do nothing..stand still........in reality if you stand still you are in effect going backwards.

Sad to see.
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Spot on analysis. A monumental piece of economic self harm. There is simply zero sense in what is going on.
Britain according to the Brexit leaders needs to be an open trading nation. Needs to trade freely with the world. Has to cut off its right arm in the first instance though by screwing up its arrangement with the EU. Then wounded and badly in need of new deals it has to talk with China, India, USA et al. Screwed again.
It's simply tragic. Utterly tragic.
 
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wanton dwarf

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suffolksmallholder said:
The funny thing is that not many years ago we'd never have got wind that such is going on in Charlottesville. It's the silly season so journalists are dredging for sensational news to wet our now insatiable appetites for the dramatic & horrible.....The extremists in the USA are a scary bunch.
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Radio 4 did a piece about the Democracts and Republicans a few months ago.

Politics is very polarised in the USA.

To the extent a Democrat is very unlikely to marry a Republican. Republicans tend to be more easy going.
 
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wanton dwarf

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Roger Perry said:
I think UK is screwed whatever you decide to do..........stay/go

Somehow you have talked yourselves into a position of inertia, afraid to jump one way or the other. The outcome of this is that you as a country do nothing..stand still........in reality if you stand still you are in effect going backwards.

Sad to see.
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I would not worry.

If everything went smoothly then Brexit should not have happened ... the reason Brexit has happened IS because our politicians in the UK have failed us and allowed the EU to gradually destroy many parts of the UK economy.

Both our main political parties are unfit for purpose. We're in this for the long haul. Either the politicians will man/woman up or they will be thrown out.
 
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wanton dwarf

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Walterp said:
Would you care to identify the many parts of the economy the EU has destroyed, please?
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Easy one Farming. UK government implements standards on time and farms businesses in line. EU states miss deadlines. EU policy on chemicals which have tended to harm UK farming more than European farming. Glysophate being an obvious example, which is linked to politics. Chickens and pigs being another example.

Environmental policy. Which has harmed all UK business. Not implemented to the same extent throughout all of the EU. Heavily weighted by environmental groups. Climate change and energy policy - forcing jobs to other countries with more polluting energy and higher transport costs. So that's most heavy engineering.

Through immigration a lot of UK industry, especially family firms have gone bust, decrease wages or employ "cheap" foreign labour. Examples are all building trades - including electricians, plumbers, roofers, carpenters, fitters. Same for most manual workers, such as fabricators.

Logistics and distribution by the use of foreign trucks.

High unemployment in parts of the EU which is because of the Euro and a strong Germany. "Freedom of movement" being the only possible balancing mechanism to allow people with the prospects of no future the ability to find a life elsewhere. Mostly alleviated by sperate nation states having their own currency.

There are others such as the movement of car building to Eastern European states, such as Ford and soon to be Jaguar Landrover.

I'll also throw in the biased tax advantages of businesses in Luxemburg arranged by Juncker.
 
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wanton dwarf

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Ashtree said:
Tell me about the EU policy on glyphosate which has harmed UK disproportionately?
I'm really curious!
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You can read about that in the press if you want. Bascially comes down to UK weather and growing season.

Personally would not mind growing GM Wheat as well.

We already import GM feeds for livestock.
 
turbo

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heard comrade corbyn condem trump for not singling out the hard right having condemed both sides for any violence, how he kept a straight face when he wouldnt condem the IRA but condemed both sides in NI, typical hypocrit politician
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Don't forget last week when corbyn said exactly the same as trump has about Venezuela but that's okay
 
Walterp

Walterp

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wanton dwarf said:
Easy one Farming. UK government implements standards on time and farms businesses in line. EU states miss deadlines. EU policy on chemicals which have tended to harm UK farming more than European farming. Glysophate being an obvious example, which is linked to politics. Chickens and pigs being another example.
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I alighted on farming as first up; the problem you believe the EU has is its precautionary policy, as opposed to the risk management policy taken by the US - these are the two polar regulatory alternatives available.

You are in a minority in feeling that way - the domestic population is more European than American, and tends to favour the precautionary principle. That's probably unalterable now, given decades of 'Frankenstein foods' Press attitudes.

Not all UK farmers agree with this, I appreciate, but it's now part of our culture. It's not really accurate to categorise it as 'politics' - it's how people feel.
 

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