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jamj

Member
Location
Down
Me and little un take my husband dinner every night during harvest, takes a bit more organising but makes a difference. Family "picnic" usually proper cooked meal - from spag bol to stew sat in back of pick up.
That's great at harvest time, but I'm sure you would not want to do it all year round.
OP could try it a few evenings and get him to come home on the others.
 
Warning - farmers are both selfish and insecure. They like their own way pretty much all the time, and what will the neighbours think if we're not out attending to all that work that needs doing.

It's a toxic combination I'm afraid, and it's one that sometimes is only sorted out by time.

The workaholic thing is no excuse for making other people unhappy, and it makes me wonder if it's just yet another level of questionable mental health.
 

Poorbuthappy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Have done both the travel to the farm and now live on site.
Would choose the latter every time, but it is just me, Mrs PBH and the kids. No other family involved.
You can come in for tea, put the kids to bed when they're small, or spend some time with them as they get older, then back out to work later in the evening, especially when busier.
Personally I think Sundays are for essential jobs only, then family time. It's important for your own well being, and your family relationships, even if you hold no religious belief. (Doesn't have to be Sunday of course - whatever works).
It can be workload, particularly at certain times of the year, but it is definitely mindset, and is very hard to change before it is too late and he realises the family have grown up and he's missed it, or you've left.

Talk to him.
Any good mates of his who can see the situation and talk to him too?
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
I prefer not to comment on other peoples's family politics, but I can tell you that when our 4 girls were small I was of a similar mindset.
Your husband needs to realise before it is too late, that in the blink of an eye the kids are grown up and gone; and have probably had a guts-full of absentee fatherhood and sitting in the car whilst Mum drives to the farm to find Dad for them to say "goodnight". It is a good way to turn kids off farming I reckon, if their formative years are full of missed school plays, holidays and stuff because "the bloody farm" always has first call.
I have not managed to make a million from the farm in the years since ours were born, and sometimes you look around and see the results of 20 yrs of scratting about, and wonder if the price was too high.
I never lose the opportunity to tell new fathers to enjoy every spare moment with them; it doesn't last long.
Our kids say they do not hold it against me; but I tell you, if I had my time again things would be different.
 

SLA

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Nope not much fun in bad weather, but it really makes a difference to have a family meal, I think they forget what its like to be part of a family when they're never there, an occasional reminder helps. If they are that busy it can be a nice gesture to take the meal to them, even if its sandwiches and cake with the kids once a week
 

GTB

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Is the problem his workload, or his mindset?
It's both. There's also most probably an unspoken expectation from his parents/family that he works that hard to keep the farm going as they 'can't afford' to pay contractors or employ staff. I don't know your/their financial situation obviously but that was certainly the case when our kids were young and I was doing similar hours to your husband. We swapped houses with my parents when our eldest was 11 and it made things so much easier living on site, though that also created new tensions as my wife had a job so wasn't always here to help/tend. This didn't bother me as much as it bothered my parents I might add.

I will say that it's more 'trendy' to spend time with the family these days. There's a noticable difference in the attitude of young parents locally compared to when our kids were young 20 years ago. I, like your husband, was almost to embarrassed to take time off. It just wasn't the done thing. :(
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
Sounds to me like @wasted years has it spot on - psychologically he's never really left home, despite having a wife, kids and house of his own. I'd be prepared to bet he calls the farm 'home' rather than where he happens to sleep at night. When most people leave home they actually leave, go to uni, move towns for a new job, buy a house of their own etc, and don't spend all their time back at their old home. They break the child/parent relationship and become an fully independent adult in their own right. I suspect the OPs husband has never done this, and the problems stem from that.
 

GTB

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Sounds to me like @wasted years has it spot on - psychologically he's never really left home, despite having a wife, kids and house of his own. I'd be prepared to bet he calls the farm 'home' rather than where he happens to sleep at night. When most people leave home they actually leave, go to uni, move towns for a new job, buy a house of their own etc, and don't spend all their time back at their old home. They break the child/parent relationship and become an fully independent adult in their own right. I suspect the OPs husband has never done this, and the problems stem from that.
Spot on.
 

mixed breed

Member
Mixed Farmer
Some people just love work, it is sadly all they know and would rather be cleaning the grain store than being out in public for
a family day out. It sounds extreme but I know it all to well.
When my mother died my dad beat himself up terrible (probably still does) that he hadn't taken mother off for holidays and days away. I can see him now in bits, saying if only we'd had more time!

Obviously it was all too late and there were few words I could find to comfort him. A tough time that taught me a lot. Farming really isn't everything.
 
I thought it was another dating ad when I read the title:unsure:


My farm is 4 miles from my house and yard/workshop, father stays in the farm house. I lose an hour of my day travelling. It saps a huge amount of money on fuel. So I'm off to Canada for a look at alternatives as father and step mother are staying for the considerable future(y)
 

snarling bee

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
My father in law ran a very successful farming business and ALWAYS had Sundays off save for 2 or 3 hours milking/feeding etc. So did his employees.
There was never ANY tractor work, fencing, harvesting or similar done on a Sunday.
Work and the business are important, but family are more important.

It would not hurt the business for your husband to have one threequarter day off every week. I hope he gets to see that, for all your sakes.
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
My old man once gave me the talk about 'man's world' and 'work needs to be done'. etc. I walked, had a good life in other business with my lady and now I've come back to the ruins of our empire to pick up the pieces and go forward. Dead end attitude which leads to failure and unhappiness always. If they won't talk about it and hold the reins then that is that. It's over. Not a lot you can do about it. But you have to try to talk.
 

Y Fan Wen

Member
Location
N W Snowdonia
I am forever grateful to Dad for putting his foot down and ordering me to take holidays after I got married. I was the same, far too much to be done to take a week away. He taught me that it will all keep for later, despite always feeling that I was trying to catch up. I now understand that our 2 weekly holidays are the most important parts of of our relationship.
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
My best mate was in NZ when we got married. We planned to go out there for a week and take brother with me. Not sure who would have been best man but I wanted them both there. Dad put his foot down and said brother couldn't possibly leave as it was.........whatever time. Would have been the same any time of year as he was a poorly paid slave by then. Anyway, we didn't go in the end. We booked Oldway Mansion in Torquay for a week's time and essentially said come or not. Most did. Some didn't as it 'wasn't enough notice'. rubbish to them. f**king people. Now you've just reminded me of another thing I can never forgive him for. Oh well. I'll probably forget it again by tomorrow. The list is long.
 
Sounds to me like @wasted years has it spot on - psychologically he's never really left home, despite having a wife, kids and house of his own. I'd be prepared to bet he calls the farm 'home' rather than where he happens to sleep at night. When most people leave home they actually leave, go to uni, move towns for a new job, buy a house of their own etc, and don't spend all their time back at their old home. They break the child/parent relationship and become an fully independent adult in their own right. I suspect the OPs husband has never done this, and the problems stem from that.

I agree.

I live away from farm but used to find myself heading in for a cup of tea when finished or going in making a sandwich when I could and should have done it at home. Mrs got at me about it and she was right. Soon as I'm finished now up the road and put kettle on, middle of day head that way too for lunch, happy marriage happy life
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Advice!

Please help, I’m married to a farmer and we have a very young family. Problem is we don’t live on site! My Husbands family farm is 4miles up the road. He works long hours 7 days a week, and quite honestly I’m fed up! Mention the words “farming family” and lovely images are conjured up. But if you don’t live on-site (and there isn’t anywhere for us to live there) I’m pretty much a single parent!

Now please don’t shout at me that farming is an around the clock job, the animals need looking after, I appreciate that, but so is an old peoples home? More importantly so is a family. Farming might also be a lifestyle but again so is choosing to take a wife and have children. There’s the argument that my Husband is working to provide for his family, but the reality to that is if I went back to work part time and he stayed at home with the children we’d be just as well off financially! Unless of course your talking the inherited legacy of the farm, which is a lovely thing to work towards, however I’m not keen to raise my children to wait for a dead man’s boots? Don’t get me wrong I’ll support and encourage them, I want to provide for them, but they need to achieve for themselves not expect everything to be handed to them. The house we live in, my Husband and I purchased ourselves without any help from family and we both have a huge sense of pride in that.

I’m looking for advice so that we can improve our current and future situation. So I’ll lay out the information and you can offer me “warts and all comments and suggestions”

The farm and it’s practices:

815 acres (330 hectares if your in new money) this is our total farmed area, which includes the 250 owned, the rest is on an FBT.

This year currently growing 145 acres of corn and 45 of Maize.

60 Suckler cows, calving March/April

Finish 500 beef cattle

900 lambing ewes, Feb/March

1500 hoggs to winter keep

So in a nutshell, mixed farming!

What I’d love to know (If the info I’ve supplied is enough to go on) is how many people are required for this business, and obviously how many hours are you expecting them to work per week to maintain it? If it helps with more understanding, the family wouldn’t employ many contractors, they currently do most things themselves, like harvesting, spraying, fencing and hedge cutting. They have most of the toys! We would use contractors for maize drill and harvest, a little bit of dung spreading but not a lot else.

Please help because I’m obviously not growing any prettier and our Children wont be small for long.

I myself am from farming families, and when I was growing up my parents lived off site, but I have wonderful childhood memories of days out and family holidays, the thing I look back on most fondly is my Dad was always home in the evening for dinner. Currently me and the children eat 3 meals a day, 7days a week on our own. I firmly believe that family meals are so important for communication and discipline.

My Husband is definitely a workaholic, I have to beg him to take a day off. He always says not this week I’ve got a lot on, we’re taking cattle, we’re TB testing, we’re cutting corn, we’re fencing! There is always something, but I’m promised next week should be better. When next week comes and I remind him he reels out new excuses, or complains that because last week they we’re TB testing (or whatever the job was) he’s now behind on what he had wanted to do so can’t spare any time this week. If the weather is fine he’s busy, but if it’s wet he’s getting ready for it to come fine?!?

Is the problem his workload, or his mindset?

What’s it all for? I know of numerous farmers Sons who have devoted so much time from their youths to their farms that they’re now bitter, middle aged and Single. Each to their own perhaps, but I’m pretty confident that they were executing their finest dance moves at those Young farmer discos in an attempt to find a wife? But their farms and long hours have either kept them from attending enough discos to secure a suitable match, or they were successful only to return to work and neglect the relationship before it had a chance to set.

Don’t get me wrong I envy my Husband that he is one of the lucky ones to do a job he loves (he’d love it a whole lot more if there was more corn and less sheep). But he already has a lot of regrets from his youth. He didn’t go to as many parties as he’d have liked, he didn’t travel as far as he wanted to. So although it might not be acceptable, we could go out partying and getting embarrassingly drunk if the mood takes us when we’re 60, and if our health allows we can travel the world, but we’ll never get a second chance at raising our children. The next 18 years aren’t to be missed and regretted, they are to be enjoyed, savoured and maximised so that we build a safe and happy home for the next generation, one that they’ll always return to because they know we’ve always got time for them.

My in-laws are competitive, maybe that's farmers in general? Always looking over the hedge at their neighbour and wanting to keep up or do more. My Husband won’t except that farmers do have time off, we went to church one Sunday, and chatted to another farming family of our generation whilst there. My husband was obviously talking shop with the chap and I was talking babies to his wife. My husband and I then returned to the farm so he could get on with something, we got to exchanging the conversations we’d had, but there was a discrepancy between us? My Husband had been led to believe his friend was going home to also do something work related, but I told him “No, his wife said they were taking the children to the beach”. We agreed to disagree as I couldn’t possibly be right, the weather was favourable and it was a busy calendar slot. Not long after when we were driving up the road to see stock, we passed said family all loaded up definitely looking beach bound, both men look surprised to pass each other! What’s wrong with them, where is the shame in family time?

My father in law reminisces about how Sundays were for Church and chores, now everyone regards them as a total inconvenience because “no other buggers working when you need parts!” Recently you would have thought there were going to be medals handed out to the farmer that could stay out the latest silaging? My husband was telling a friend in the trade “yeah we didn’t finish picking up till 2am, I heard next door were out till 4am!” Ridiculous, the same week there were two fatalities in the industry reported in the press.

Work life balance is a constant argument between us (probably our only conflict) so I’m curious to discover which way my advice goes? I think I’m prepared to be told to shut up and stop complaining, but surely I’m not alone in thinking there's more to life than farming?

You seem like a nice bunch on here so be kind in your responses I’ve been reading a lot of your posts before I plucked up the courage and met my wits end to write this plea!

Many thanks in anticipation,

A very tired, lonely and disillusioned Farmers wife.

More info. please... :).
 

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