JohnGalway
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- Location
- Connemara, Ireland
Hang on, does this "pause" mean Farage will miss out on a few years of extra MEP salary, shame that
Despite denials there really does seem to be a fair amount of vitriol and would-be gloating from our 'friends' abroad. In a much earlier thread I recall that I attributed this, to a degree, to their fear of what the effects of Brexit will be upon them; I think that still holds good, but there does appear to be some genuine nastiness creeping in too; very sad. As for our home-grown nay-sayers, they do seem to be blind to anything - everything! - that the EU does which, if was done to their beloved EU they would be horrified by.
I just cannot fathom all this unpleasantness, I am unwilling to believe that these are all simply 'nasty' people; so it seems reasonable to me that it is a reaction of fear. A pity, a real pity but, nonetheless, the UK will leave the EU and we will prosper outside of it. At what point will the bitterness cease?
This line of argument is commonly seen, but it may be based on an equally-common misunderstanding.
The outcome of Art 50 is to settle Brexit, not a post-Brexit trading deal. So there may not be a 'deal' in the terms envisaged by the UK Government, merely a set of terms for payment, etc.
The reality is that a second referendum would be a verdict on the outcome of the first referendum, rather than a decision on trade arrangements that may take many years to formulate.
It is possible that Labour would campaign on revoking art 50 via such a referendum, which seems to me more honest and practical.
No interest in football generally, I may watch a World Cup match if home nations are playing, that's all.You never followed football at all?
I have compared this whole Brexit thing before with Celtic/Rangers.
Do you really think a Celtic fan will ever see good in Rangers?
It's just the same, you for eg will not see any good in the EU, I for eg will not see that on balance the EU is a bad thing.
We could write in here for the next 20 years (although I personally do have a real life to lead) and we will never see it different. Just like Celtic/Rangers.
I missed your last sentence, I don't believe it ever will; not in our lifetimes :-(...
Just like Celtic/Rangers!!!
No interest in football generally, I may watch a World Cup match if home nations are playing, that's all.
I hold no hatred or bitterness toward my political opponents, none at all, they are my opponents, not my enemies. But I am exasperated by the ongoing unpleasantness, I just don't understand it; there was a vote, it went one way and that's it. If it had gone the other way I'd have been pretty sad, but I wouldn't be 'nasty' to or about those on the opposite side.
What outsiders, foreigners, want to be nasty for - setting aside the 'fear' reaction mentioned earlier - is beyond me; but some of the Irish posters on here are just that. Fortunately, I know that the vast majority of their countrymen are decent people who respect democracy and who, despite probably wishing our referendum had gone the other way, don't have an axe to grind and wish us well. I can't recall any unpleasantness on here from people elsewhere.
The other aspect I find odd, is that there was no way at all, other than by the UK voting to leave the EU, that I and others who wanted to leave could have had our 'sovereign' country back. But, that anyone who wants to live in the EU can still go and do so, but don't. If you think it is so great and you're there, good for you, if you think that and aren't there, why not go?
The obvious response to that is 'My life / business is here, why should I go?' Fair enough, but so are mine and those of all other who voted to leave, and there were more of us and, in a democracy, that is what matters. If you don't want democracy go and live in the EU, but please don't pretend to be democrats and persist with the carping and the trying to 'overturn' the referendum's result. It won't change things, it will just keep your bitterness at a simmer, it will alienate you from all those who either voted to leave or accept the vote and, lastly, it will just hold back our country. If you think that staying in the EU was best for our country, fine, but the vote went the other way; so surely the best thing for the country would now be for us all to pull together.
If anyone actually does want to disrupt things and / or prevent the expressed democratic will from being realised, you really can't claim to be either democrats or to have the UK's national interest at heart.
No interest in football generally, I may watch a World Cup match if home nations are playing, that's all.
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no you don'tAdd the word "final" to that and you need to be at least 51 years old
Do ya sums Henry.2017-51= "66no you don't
You do yoursDo ya sums Henry.2017-51= "66
Delaying Brexit as Theresa May wants will take the fatally weakening effects of Brexit beyond the timing of the next general election.The latest spiritual guru of the Brexiteers, isn't impressed with the latest instalment of Demise of Brexit. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-conservative-tory-mps-eu-italy-a7962701.html
The Europe question has done for many Conservative party leaders and potential ones,and will continue to do so.Delaying Brexit as Theresa May wants will take the fatally weakening effects of Brexit beyond the timing of the next general election.
Perhaps she is beginning to understand that a different approach is required to the misplaced arrogance she exhibited calling a snap election, and the totally unnecessary arrogant gamble Cameron exhibited calling the Brexit referendum in the vain belief that it would unit his party.
Currently she is a politically dead woman walking, with no plan how to unite the conservatives, no outright majority in parliament, and no plan whatsoever on how to stave off economic disaster once we leave our biggest trade market.
Won't be many more leaders of any consequence. Old party full of old men and a few old women. Generally clueless. Disconnected completely from reality of ordinary folks lives. Toffs to the left and toffs to the right. Using the DUP, another old party full of old men equally disconnected from reality as a crutch to hold them up until next election. Then Corbyn will swat them aside.The Europe question has done for many Conservative party leaders and potential ones,and will continue to do so.
Ha-ha.Not sure about that.RobFTZ and Danllan are going to stand at the next election to show them all how to do it!Won't be many more leaders of any consequence. Old party full of old men and a few old women. Generally clueless. Disconnected completely from reality of ordinary folks lives. Toffs to the left and toffs to the right. Using the DUP, another old party full of old men equally disconnected from reality as a crutch to hold them up until next election. Then Corbyn will swat them aside.
Oh have they joined the Labour Party?Ha-ha.Not sure about that.RobFTZ and Danllan are going to stand at the next election to show them all how to do it!
"Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly."you fudgeing moaners
first you fudgeing moan cos we be leaving
then you fudgeing moan that we are not leaving fast enough
what the fudge you will be re-moaning about next or will you just re-moan about the same old thing