Thickness of new underground cable?

I would definately put in a duct for future proofing and fibre £5-8 /metre and just put in what you need, you can always add another of the same size and parallel them if required in future

Required electricity cable +
Fibre cable +
.. 2 extra ducts for future proofing? Of a similar size?
..sorry lost me a little at the end..
Cheers
 

2CE

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Copper ethernet is limited to around 100m, fibre will easily do several km and has the advantage of not being susceptible to lightning. Armored fibre suitable for directly burying will cost around £1/m, non armored will be less than half that but will need to be run in a duct. 4in duct in 6m lengths (the purple stuff you see on motorways) costs around £1.50 per metre.
 

Robigus

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I'm planning to run an electricity cable underground to some farm buildings approx 500 metres away.
Electrician is recommending I use a 3 phase 60 amp cable about the width of my arm.
I plan to use electricity for lights, pressure washer and general farm equipment.
If I were to invest in solar, small wind or possibly battery power in the future would the cable be big enough or should I run something else while the trench is dug?
Just wanted to safeguard my future options.
Cheers in advance
The answer is definitely to put conduit in to future proof it.
I can't advise on cable sizes but as for technique we have a 14 Megawatt generator going in and they are laying three phase cables two miles to another substation.
They are 300mm2 armoured cables and there are only three of them as they use the armoured layer as the earth.
All three cables are pulled into a single 200 (250?) millimetre conduit.
They pull all three cables together in 1,000m sections using a good winch and plenty of grease.

They've laid 30 tonnes of this stuff. The second conduit is for fiberoptics.

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Robigus

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What voltage is that cable operating at?
:scratchhead: Can't remember, and I don't have the documents to hand.
It is high as it is between our generator substation and the grid substation. I might be talking complete nonsense but it's thousands of volts - 30,000v? (300,000v??!!)
I'll try and remember to check.
 

Bloders

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Location
Ruabon
i dont think (though very likely to be wrong) you can go theat far on Ethernet cable - i installed some CAT6 and was allegedly on the limit at 100 metres?
Would need to go for fibre of line of sight etc

For the power cable, you dont need an earth conductor - you should not be "exporting" your earth that far.
If you do, when you connect it, you will notice a very small spark, this is because the earths potential differs slightly in different places (thats how it was explained to me)
You should install a ground spike for your earth at the point of use.
 

chickens and wheat

Member
Mixed Farmer
not sure why sparkies put an earth in with mine then, and earthed the smaller cable that ran on further from the first broiler shed to the new shed.

earth spike is located at the source of the main cable where the meter and backup genny are located
 

simon-0116

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Location
Sheffield
For cattle yards , ie lighting ( led) pressure washer etc possibly 3 hp motor on compressor, i can see little reason to go beyond 30 amp feed.
This would only require a 16 mm cable.
You would need to be careful not to overload any single phase though
I think your sparky is making work, and cost.
Minimum is 35mm for 30a 3ph
Dont take electricians advice also maybe as some of them havent a clue too ???
 
Ok, thanks all, obviously I'm not an electrician so advice is needed.
Still scratching my head a little,
The cable would supply my cattle yards primarily, I can also foresee some kind of electrical scheme coming back as diesel is replaced with electric vehicles, perhaps electric tractors will come in the future?
I'm told the national grid network will soon be updated to allow more farming businesses to add to it but who knows.
Just seemed a good idea to future proof myself for the cost of a few extra grand.
It was just my local sparky who thought I'd need 60 amp x 3 phase. (I've no idea)
Don't think the duct idea would work as can't see anybody threading anything through 450 metres? (Straight across a field)
Cheers for your help,
I'll let you know what my quote is when I get one!

I have done this and the duct was in 25m lengths with a string in it so we fixed it in one bit at a time and pulled a much stronger rope then that was used for the main cable. Do not try putting light cable in with the big one as it just gets buggered by twisting! Better running another small duct.
 

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