volcanic rock dust

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REMIN

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• Aug 3, 2016

• #21

Breakthru said:

Does it have similar properties to Diatamateous earth which is ground volcanic rock.
White stuff is insoluble and used against grain beetles/mites whereas red is soluble.
The red is highly charged and so when put in soil displaces other elements from the clay in the soil on which they are locked up so making them available to the plant.

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I don't know about Diatamateous earth - but see this stuff on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth

I am not sure about the explanation and prefer to stick to ground I am sure about. I have seen enough to know REMIN does work, with more of an impact on poorer soils than richer soils. For me it is absolutely back to basics - plants have a need for a wide range of minerals and trace elements and REMIN provides them. Aristotle in 350bc said "worms are the intestines of the soil" - another one I love is J von Liebig, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justus_von_Liebig and his Law of Minimum ie "The yield of the crop is limited by the nutrient in shortest supply". It takes the MINERALS and the LIVING ORGANISMS to make the difference.

As and when you have time, have a listen to my BBC Radio Jersey interview on this page, (press play button, not photo) and hear what my co-interviewee, Jersey's soil guru, Glyn Mitchell and myself have to say: http://www.reminscotland.com/news/

 

KMA

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Location

Dumfriesshire

• Aug 3, 2016

• #22

Thanks for the link, really fascinating stuff much more to Diatomaceous Earth than I'd realised

 

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SilliamWhale

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Does it matter anymore how far WalterP is from me?

• Aug 3, 2016

• #23

How do you know Remin provides the nutrients needed if you can't tell me whats in it?

 

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Breakthru

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Location

Scottish Borders

• Aug 3, 2016

• #24

KMA said:

Thanks for the link, really fascinating stuff much more to Diatomaceous Earth than I'd realised

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red is totally different in its effect.

 

kernowcluck

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Location

Cornwall

• Aug 4, 2016

• #25

I have always assumed that volcanic dust varies in its content depending on which volcanic area it comes from . There is no mention of fluoride in the product produced in Scotland but I understand that other volcanic regions of the world can have dangerously high fluride levels that have resulted in fluorine toxicity.

Do Remin recommend a pre-application soil test? And would you need to titrate application rates accordingly? For example I live in an area with unusually high levels of certain minerals, copper, Iron, zinc, et cetera although these are not always available for uptake through forage. Also the soil tends to be acidic because of the close proximity to mining areas and the associated oxidation of pyrites. Does application at the recommended rates of this product increase acidity levels? I am a great believer in soil tests but without a a more detailed analysis of the product I'm not sure how scientific my decision would be.

Finally I have in the past used volcanic ash on land used to grow potatoes. We discovered we had,amongst other things, a boron defficiency and the crops improved following the use.

 

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Osca

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Location

Tayside

• Aug 10, 2016

• #26

A correction - it was Colace Quarry, not Colessie Quarry, that I spoke to all those years ago.

They do still supply quarry dust and I am hoping to get a typical analysis as I cannot find the one which I was originally given. If I get this information I will post it. Very friendly, helpful people.

 

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REMIN

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• Aug 11, 2016

• #27

Osca said:

A correction - it was Colace Quarry, not Colessie Quarry, that I spoke to all those years ago.

They do still supply quarry dust and I am hoping to get a typical analysis as I cannot find the one which I was originally given. If I get this information I will post it. Very friendly, helpful people.

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I am a bit hashed right now as off to Iceland next week - yes!, to check out their volcanoes and try their beer. Important point re. Collace, they stopped quarrying there in 2014 and now get their rock in from another quarry, Boysack and this is not as mineral a rich rock as Collace's own rock. I have since had to source and get another quarry's dust analysed. The quarry company themselves have asked me not to release name of quarry as they want to concentrate on their road material, they prefer to put all agricultural / horticultural enquiries via REMIN.

Re, REMIN analysis if you are genuinely interested please email me on [email protected] and I can share this with you - I just don't put it up on websites etc. Yes, as a non-synthetic material element ppms will vary from load to load (it is a natural material) BUT the results I go on getting back from users are pretty consistent. Replies may have have to wait till w/c 22nd August. Tally ho!

 

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Osca

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Location

Tayside

• Aug 11, 2016

• #28

Thanks Jennifer, but why would you not make the typical analysis public?

Thank you for the heads-up over Collace - but it will be interesting to get the results from their present source.

I will accept your invitation to email you to ask for your present source's typical analysis.

 

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hairy

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Location

Keith Banffshire

• Sep 9, 2016

• #29

Hi chae 1 we used basalt rock dust in making compost as above helps the micro organisms .
for more information look up CMC composting

 

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EchoesFromThePast

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• Sep 10, 2016

• #30

"CMC composting":

Siegfried Lübke on CMC Compost etc.:

http://stiftung-france.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=701&sid=3a0c452b209c493ecf39af3df5508867

 

New Puritan

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Location

East Sussex

• Oct 22, 2017

• #31

Chae1 said:

Not that cheap £45/t for 28t delivered tipped. £90/t in ton bags.

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I appreciate this is an old thread and the info may be out of date, but that price sounds more reasonable than the price quoted £/t bagged on their website - it's now @ £245/t

I'd like to give this sort of thing a go just to see what effect it has, but not at that price. Has anyone on here used it on an agricutlural scale?

 

Chae1

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Location

Aberdeenshire

• Oct 22, 2017

• #32

New Puritan said:

I appreciate this is an old thread and the info may be out of date, but that price sounds more reasonable than the price quoted £/t bagged on their website - it's now @ £245/t

I'd like to give this sort of thing a go just to see what effect it has, but not at that price. Has anyone on here used it on an agricutlural scale?

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I did a trial in a field of spring barley. Will post pictures.

 

New Puritan

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Location

East Sussex

• Oct 22, 2017

• #33

@Chae1 - thanks, I'm interested to know how you got on. How much of it did you get, and what sort of application rate did you use?

 

Chae1

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Location

Aberdeenshire

• Oct 23, 2017

• #34

I applied it at maximum dose rate split a 20kg bag over 4m squared.

 

Chae1

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Location

Aberdeenshire

• Oct 23, 2017

• #35

Chae1 said:

I applied it at maximum dose rate split a 20kg bag over 4m squared.

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First picture in springtime.

 

Chae1

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Location

Aberdeenshire

• Oct 23, 2017

• #36

Some other trials I did. Father was moaning about urea and it's ineffectiveness in dry weather so I applied some to my lawn deliberately missing bits to see what it was doing.

 

New Puritan

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Location

East Sussex

• Oct 23, 2017

• #37

@Chae1 - so in the second photo I think I can see a bit of a difference, but not so much in the third. Did it have any effect on the yield in that little area do you think? Or better disease or drought resistance?

 

Chae1

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Location

Aberdeenshire

• Oct 23, 2017

• #38

New Puritan said:

@Chae1 - so in the second photo I think I can see a bit of a difference, but not so much in the third. Did it have any effect on the yield in that little area do you think? Or better disease or drought resistance?

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For the costs involved I didn't see a difference in the crop to make it worthwhile on a field scale basis. I've also done a area on my lawn with it and no visual difference.

 

New Puritan

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Location

East Sussex

• Oct 23, 2017

• #39

Thanks @Chae1 - worth knowing. Though I would be interested in hearing if anyone else has tried it?

 

BadgerCrop

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Cereals Exhibitor

• Sep 26, 2020

• #40

Hi, is anyone using Basalt Volcanic Dust on Agricultural farmland? as am curious as to application rate in kg/Ha,please? and how it handles in practice.
Also, am studying some interesting scientific work being done that if Basalt is applied to farmland Globally, it may potentially capture 2 Billion tonnes of CO2 from the air , so if Basalt dust will do this and act as a soil conditioner, promoting "Healthy soils & healthy crops " plus reduce GHG emissions, it surely must be win win for everyone?
Would welcome discussion.