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Rossymons · Nov 18, 2017

My guy and I are working too hard at the minute. He gets every other weekend plus Tuesday every week for college. Not having accommodation is our biggest problem. Whilst the house is being done up we've nowhere to stick a mobile home neither.

Gotta work the business harder.

Cuthbert · Nov 18, 2017

pappuller said:
Chatting to our tanker driver this morning after he was moaning about his employer(my milk buyer)
5 on 2 off starts at 6 everyday finishes at 3/4 oclock on 4 days and finishes at 12 on the 5th day.
Takes home approx £500/week.
28 days paid holiday/year.
Time and a half for extra hours.
But in his opinion the job and pay are sh!te !!!!
He could earn more for less hours with an agency he said.
Thats what we are up against people.
The days of paid staff working flat out 10 hrs a day 6/7 days a week are quickly disappearing over the hill.
Roll on the robotic revolution, maybe mr Gove is right !!!!

I thought robots are 24 hour call out even weekends

Ducati899 · Nov 18, 2017

Beef farmer said:
Also worth noting, on there weekend on, it's minimum work. This am, I've trimmed a foot, moved the store cattle and now off to a sale, yards empty till half 2.

Similar to me,dairy all done and calves done by 7..young stock and beef done and in for brekkie by 8,won't see me again out till 3pm after I've done some Christmas shopping, Not milking the numbers of some of you guys on here but not sure I'd want to really,I'm happy with my lot at 150..me dad and one member of staff

Rossymons · Nov 18, 2017

Ducati899 said:
Similar to me,dairy all done and calves done by 7..young stock and beef done and in for brekkie by 8,won't see me again out till 3pm after I've done some Christmas shopping, Not milking the numbers of some of you guys on here but not sure I'd want to really,I'm happy with my lot at 150..me dad and one member of staff

We're milking more with one less guy and stock on 3 sites.

It's a not a brag more I'm somewhat envious of having 3 guys there. That extra man here would make a huge difference.

Davy · Nov 18, 2017

I think a lot of its to do with mentality and how much people expect for their skills. A person who is skilled up, has experience and initiative is probably worth more than you can afford to pay them on a farm, yet folk who have little in the way of the above expect the same renumeration. Farming aside, I know of one chap doing a trade apprenticeship in his 2nd year. He tells me he expects top dolla next year just as hes got a certificate. He still has a lot of years knowledge to gain before he gets anywhere near the pay he expects.

Ducati899 · Nov 18, 2017

Dad isn't doing no where near what he used to so you could say 2 and a half really

150 is the milkers before all the young stock and beef

roscoe erf · Nov 18, 2017

Kidds said:
My son jacked his job, handed the keys in and fecked off for all the reasons I listed and more besides. He worked the whole day today knowing he is almost certainly never to see a penny for it.
He’s not perfect nor is anybody but give him some cows to look after and he will see them right.
Just a pity his employers take the pee every time.

Today wasn’t in Cheshire

perhaps you should tell him @Grassman247 has a vacancy

Rossymons · Nov 18, 2017

Kidds said:
My son jacked his job, handed the keys in and fecked off for all the reasons I listed and more besides. He worked the whole day today knowing he is almost certainly never to see a penny for it.
He’s not perfect nor is anybody but give him some cows to look after and he will see them right.
Just a pity his employers take the pee every time.

Today wasn’t in Cheshire

If he fancies a change of scenery Cornwall is lovely this time of year

Kidds · Nov 18, 2017

He's not stupid, he found another job before he left.
He's good at what he does and it's easy for him to find a good job, just difficult to find a good employer.

farmboy · Nov 18, 2017

This thread is proving to be an eye opener to me!

Headless chicken · Nov 18, 2017

We've just taken on an apprentice who is paid by the hour so it will be interesting how many he actually does.

im working 12/2atm but ending up working more than I'd like on weekends with my weekend not being here as early as I'd like to just get done. But that said we achieve a lot and I haven't really had a lot of physical help during the week until lately. ( dad scrapes feeds moves fences etc) i have someone coming to see a milking tonight with the view to having her milk Friday pm to give me that off

pappuller · Nov 18, 2017

Cuthbert said:
I thought robots are 24 hour call out even weekends

For sure, but thats why I have no desire to grow any bigger and then have to taste the fruits of employing staff, couple of relief guys here for an hour each morning and then its family on call, I wouldnt have it any other way.

Devon lad · Nov 18, 2017

multi power said:
I have done both 8:2 and 8:3, wasn't that keen on 8:3 due to every day being the same, it might have been ok if weekend was just essential duties

we do that here but bare minimum at weekends, 45 hrs week, I think the 12/2 Rota is rediculous in this day and age, their partners will be leaving left right and centre

Grassman247 · Nov 18, 2017

I’ve often said myself “people need to realise this is how farming is” but perhaps it’s us as farmers that need to change, speaking to friends in New Zealand today and they are running a 10 on 4 off rota and aiming to only do 40 hours a week when not calving. @pappuller is probably right, robots or technology needs to come so we can enable people to work less. Maybe then they’d feel more valued and we would get more out of them in the time they were at work.

Happy at it · Nov 18, 2017

I'd have thought your terms were more than fair @Grassman247. People in jobs forget that the money they receive has to come from somewhere. By the time he counted the value of his free accommodation your man was on mid 30's of a wage. To me that's some paying from a milk cheque, and would be unheard of in ni for what he was doing.

ollie989898 · Nov 18, 2017

I would find it very odd to have people do that to me, just up and leave.

Bald Rick · Nov 18, 2017

rumour going round that we're putting in a parlour (where that has come from I dont know

) but we are getting quite a few "pokes" on social media asking for work ............

multi power · Nov 18, 2017

Grassman247 said:
I’ve often said myself “people need to realise this is how farming is” but perhaps it’s us as farmers that need to change, speaking to friends in New Zealand today and they are running a 10 on 4 off rota and aiming to only do 40 hours a week when not calving. @pappuller is probably right, robots or technology needs to come so we can enable people to work less. Maybe then they’d feel more valued and we would get more out of them in the time they were at work.

I'd bet those on a 40 hour week are actually achieving more than some on a 60 hour week

lamb89 · Nov 18, 2017

I know a herdsman that has every other weekend off, 1 half day a week and 1 8am start a week, paid holiday and a great boss. £30 k. Can get under 21 short term for less than 25k but don't last long.relief milkers doing 10 milkings a week on £500 week. NZ system. Local here man just on every other week end off on 30-40k if you want the to stay on "Ayr" system.

pappuller · Nov 18, 2017

Happy at it said:
I'd have thought your terms were more than fair @Grassman247. People in jobs forget that the money they receive has to come from somewhere. By the time he counted the value of his free accommodation your man was on mid 30's of a wage. To me that's some paying from a milk cheque, and would be unheard of in ni for what he was doing.

I agree its a v good wage, but I just think we've got to realise that people are not prepared to work the long daily shifts that the previous generations have and alot of it is today with so many other things to occupy time.The generation of today expect more than ever put arent prepared to give their pound of flesh to the cause any more, my two relief guys are treated as equals to me not as my staff, we are taking all people who contribute to the successful running of our business day to day on a bender of a night out in a couple of weeks time. I find it makes for a happy camp if you do this occasionally and its surprising how well a turkey goes down with them at Christmas.

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