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Thats a bit strong language
Google brampton ploughing match 2011 video
You may be proven wrong.
Google brampton ploughing match 2011 video
You may be proven wrong.
Thats a bit strong language
Google brampton ploughing match 2011 video
You may be proven wrong.
As an outsider, looking in, I can understand that.All this crap that goes on away from the field has curtailed my enthusiasm for the sport some what which is disappointing given the investment in time and money I have spent to get to an average standard. Of what started as a hobby to use the kit I had in the shed.
All this crap that goes on away from the field has curtailed my enthusiasm for the sport some what which is disappointing given the investment in time and money I have spent to get to an average standard. Of what started as a hobby to use the kit I had in the shed.
As an outsider, looking in, I can understand that.
I suspect anybody looking in here who had half an inkling to buy one of these....
....may well think better of it and just carry on with one of these....
Mr Howard. Nothing might have changed but that does not make I right
The constant thing that gets my goat up is that just because someone has not won at a higher level does not mean that their opinion does not count or have any more influence than someone that has
I may be a sh!t ploughman or a keyboard warrior in the eyes of the upper echelons but having a view on something is not exclusive to former champions.
As for sop or anything else they like anything else should be judged on what they do.
Having an opinion that is different than others is nothing new to me the one thing I have learnt is it does not help you get better scores
Et tu Brutae? In a way your right, its not all to do with handling, much more to do with unenforced and largely unenforceable rules. Going back in time to your interpretation of the handling rule, in that any hand contact for what ever reason is an offence, then a plough man who gets stuck in a stone cannot remove it, he must lift the plough over it, not always possible. and how about the man who choke his plough with wet straw and dirt, he cant clean it, in fact he couldn't even scrape the boards.I have contributed to, read and reread all the threads on handling. At one time the substance of every thread was re directed to the handling issue.
I have ploughed throughout England, Scotland and Wales. I have however always ploughed to the rules applied on the day as have all those European winners amongst us, including the qualifying rounds. I have ploughed for at least 20 years. Let me tell you one very pertinent fact. NOTHING has changed. Nothing at all. The winners are all still winners, a fact that resolves around their will to win. The handlers are still handlers. I speak for the scruffy classes which by and large paint a reasonable picture of results with one or two notable exceptions among the establishment figures who judge. That has always been
Social media does have a good side. Many newcomers and those wishing to improve have been helped on here. All this banging on about handling will not change things. I said earlier nothing has changed. The fact that it is in people’s conscience might well be a shift in mindset. On the ground nothing has changed.
It has not stopped the SOP doing whatever they please, stretching and manipulating by use of proxy votes - genuine or otherwise. Nothing has changed (apart from one significant change to the filed accounts with companies house).
It would appear that recently a dearth of Directors has arisen by stealth. Nothing has changed.
One thing that social media has done is cause division and bad feeling. A veritable furnace stoked by an army of keyboard warriors naming and shamingnothing good has come out of it and yes you guessed nothing has changed.
One of the good things I always took from ploughing was the vast number of genuine and good people involved. Nothing has changed. Just get on and plough. It’s still the same as ever it was. People always have had their own opinion. They always will. Nothing has changed.
If you are not happy with the rules or the score sheet, then make your own - apply them as you see fit. All of you at grass roots level just take a step back. There now - nothing has changed.
So nothing having changed - not even the fact that you don’t need to handle to produce a World / European beating plot. What’s the problem Harry. Might be nothing to do with handling. Could it be a simple vacuum of skill technique and funding. Free for all Aitch - ploughing for England next then?
As I believe you yourself mentioned, getting to the European was the hard bit, and uninhibited furrow manipulation would certainly help there.
Be nice if they were to be the same every day, or at leased enforced that way!Nor was it necessarily right before any of us came along. Nor will I apologise for my viewpoint as a former champion. It is unfortunately the only one I have and you should respect that every bit as much as I respect your viewpoint.
The thing that has changed is your perception of things, possibly a crisis of confidence made even more incandescent on here by a certain significant other.
Please Rob. Stop all this bigotry that causes so much division and bad feeling - just get out there and plough. Whatever your feelings as you plough now - it’s tougher at the top. Plough to the rules as applied on the day.
take two to tango, and from my position, the wind is blowing hard in my direction, so the storm centre is else where, as is the agitation unit!Time to put the shovel down Aitch and throw away that damn pick. Your hole appears at present deep enough, perhaps a little too deep. If you are to quote then at least make it a reasonable semblance of what was said.
Quote “ it’s not winning the European - it’s getting there in the first place”
Yet again you twist things round to handling. Plough to the rules as applied. Possibly it escaped your attention but handling at the National is strictly policed, and surprisingly enough the British National being the qualifier for the European. So not guilty as charged.
You are though stirring up a storm of severe malcontent and spoiling a leisure pursuit for people on both sides of the fence.
Et tu Brutae? In a way your right, its not all to do with handling, much more to do with unenforced and largely unenforceable rules. Going back in time to your interpretation of the handling rule, in that any hand contact for what ever reason is an offence, then a plough man who gets stuck in a stone cannot remove it, he must lift the plough over it, not always possible. and how about the man who choke his plough with wet straw and dirt, he cant clean it, in fact he couldn't even scrape the boards.
Skill technique, funding? Probably, but good enough to finish in the pack at the national. Plough at the world? No, my nerves would not stand it, kit would be back on the truck at the first mistake, real or imagined!
Just a small point but on TFF since November 16th 2013 you have made 3787 posts. You have in that time accrued 1983 likes which in real terms is 2-1 against. You are upsetting a lot of people on both sides of the fence. Time possibly to call it a draw - especially after this last round was provoked by you not being asked to plough at the local judging seminar.