Payment timings for Mid/Higher Tier

New Puritan · Feb 21, 2018

Nothing seems to tally up. I contacted NE again today, and they replied saying that they had cleared my claim for payment at the end of last December, and that it's the RPA now holding it up. That seems at odds with the letter @Fergieman has posted above?

WRXppp · Feb 21, 2018

Mixedupfarmer said:
we have just been paid our "advanced" payment for 2016 mid tier, well over a year late, but at least we are now seeing signs that things are progressing. Hopefully our second payment for 2016 and 2017 advance will follow soon. Hopefully everyone else due money will start to see it arrive too.

Well ELS/HLS is a little better then that, today I got the 2016 balance payment, we had an inspection on 04/07/2016 and the report landed 2 weeks ago so only taken them 19 months, all fine except they could only find 6m of wall restoration where I had claimed on 29m! I did ask the inspector on the day if he had found everything and he said all seemed in order, anyway they want £690 back and then an equal £690 for being a naughty lad or liar depending on which way you look at it, invoice for said amount came on Saturday and remittance advice for above payment arrived today and they have taken the £1380 off that. I did ring them last week and asked when I was going to be paid and was told that the above had been sent to the RPA for payment and the “advance” 2017 payment had been initiated and they where “hoping” to make payment by the end of the month.
Saw my agent on Monday to get cropping for BPS and where my ELS/HLS options are going and she said don’t appeal re the walling until you have both outstanding payments or it will just put a stop on any payment also I have to ring them on the 28th to ask if payment is on the way.
The thing is I love stewardship, 5 years in we have many more birds, saw my first ever barn owl on my farm 3 years ago and see them on a quite regular basis now, my agent says my ELS/HLS is pretty full on, even the inspector said “Christ you’ve really crammed some stuff on here” and it is at times a bit of a challenge making it fit, the spectre of inspection is always there, pity we can’t rock up to a Natural England office to do an inspection eh!

Wolds Beef · Feb 22, 2018

@Guy Smith Do you keep the RPA brief? I hope so as you know how they operate! I have been told by a nice lady at Worcester I will be paid in Next week!! I will believe it when I see it!!
WB

Wolds Beef · Feb 24, 2018

@Guy Smith I take it you have lost the brief from your lack of reply, I forgot to Congratulate you on your move to Deputy! Hope to bump into you soon!
WB

yellow belly · Feb 24, 2018

It strikes me that the only farmers who can afford to claim the stewardship are those who can afford to wait 2 years for their payments and not go bust this works against Tenents and young or new farmers

The environmentle benefits of stewardship are being lost due to an inefficient system

Stewardship will be undersubscribed until the system delivers on time

What hope is there for bigger government departments
Health education and local government

bankrupt · Feb 24, 2018

yellow belly said:
those who can afford to wait 2 years for their payments and not go bust

Finally got paid for 2017, but now put 2018 and 2019 projects on hold.

bankrupt · Feb 24, 2018

Wolds Beef said:
@Guy Smith lost the brief

Given this may be sadly so, Wolds Beef, it would be very handy to know exactly who has taken it up.

I think we should be told.

WRXppp · Feb 24, 2018

yellow belly said:
It strikes me that the only farmers who can afford to claim the stewardship are those who can afford to wait 2 years for their payments and not go bust this works against Tenents and young or new farmers

The environmentle benefits of stewardship are being lost due to an inefficient system

Stewardship will be undersubscribed until the system delivers on time

What hope is there for bigger government departments
Health education and local government

The thing is there is a whole host of penalties they can impose at will but we can’t impose any on there mistakes or lack of timely payment, they have there own kangaroo court, it creates another un-level playing field just like the poor 10% still waiting for their BPS, i’m a tenant and one of the questions I had befor signing up for ELS/HLS was what is your record on paying within the payment window like, never did get a straight answer, my payments have been as follows
Due by Dec advance payment
Yr1 Sept
Yr2 Oct
Yr3 Nov
Yr4 Jan
Yr5 still waiting

Due by June balance payment
Yr1 Feb
Yr2 Dec (15 days befor window opened!?!)
Yr3 Apr
Yr4 a week ago

*also a 1 twelfth of a yearly payment was made in the December of year 2 due to making all agreements into 1st Jan start dates and mine was a 1st Dec

As you can see you just have to treat it as a bonus as and when it turns up, accountant not happy either!

Y Fan Wen · Feb 24, 2018

Seems to be the same in Wales with Glastir. Each of my payments are a month or two later in the year than the previous one. Started off in December and i'm expecting July this year.

Guy Smith · Feb 25, 2018

Wolds Beef said:
@Guy Smith Do you keep the RPA brief? I hope so as you know how they operate! I have been told by a nice lady at Worcester I will be paid in Next week!! I will believe it when I see it!!
WB

That's the plan.
We met with the RPA last week. They say 95% are now paid. Hopefully you will see something next week. Keep me posted.

Frank-the-Wool · Feb 25, 2018

Guy Smith said:
That's the plan.
We met with the RPA last week. They say 95% are now paid. Hopefully you will see something next week. Keep me posted.

I still have not seen anything yet either. I also know two neighbours who as of last week had not received anything, no inspections and no complications apart from having had delayed HLS and CS payments as well.

I will let you know when and if payment comes, any questions and they just say you will get 75% in April!!

marshbarn · Feb 25, 2018

Guy Smith said:
That's the plan.
We met with the RPA last week. They say 95% are now paid. Hopefully you will see something next week. Keep me posted.

Still nothing yet for Mid tier 2017

Feldspar · Feb 25, 2018

marshbarn said:
Still nothing yet for Mid tier 2017

Snap.

bankrupt · Feb 25, 2018

Feldspar said:
Snap.

Thought you'd at least might have had the capital bit.

Guy Smith · Feb 25, 2018

marshbarn said:
Still nothing yet for Mid tier 2017

Yes, Natural England make the RPA look like top candidates for a prompt payers award.

Wolds Beef · Feb 25, 2018

@Frank-the-Wool I have my BPS but not my HLS/ELS for December. and Guy has been very good at keeping us informed. Richard Wordsworth is worth contacting if you are an NFU member!!One of the advantages 'non members' don't get!!

yellow belly · Feb 26, 2018

when should we budget for payment of bps and mid tier assuming jan 1 2018 start

or treat it all as a bonus if it is before 1 june 2019 cannot see the tax man or my land suppliers waiting for payment till then

New Puritan · Feb 26, 2018

yellow belly said:
when should we budget for payment of bps and mid tier assuming jan 1 2018 start

I started 1 Jan 2017 and haven't seen anything yet. The RPA are blaming NE, and NE are blaming the RPA. The Countryside Stewardship has fouled up the BPS payment, so I've had nothing this / last year. Anecdotally I think I'm not the only one who has found this to be the case.

yellow belly · Feb 27, 2018

New Puritan said:
I started 1 Jan 2017 and haven't seen anything yet. The RPA are blaming NE, and NE are blaming the RPA. The Countryside Stewardship has fouled up the BPS payment, so I've had nothing this / last year. Anecdotally I think I'm not the only one who has found this to be the case.

Inspection ? Any mistake you made

Frank-the-Wool · Feb 27, 2018

New Puritan said:
I started 1 Jan 2017 and haven't seen anything yet. The RPA are blaming NE, and NE are blaming the RPA. The Countryside Stewardship has fouled up the BPS payment, so I've had nothing this / last year. Anecdotally I think I'm not the only one who has found this to be the case.

This is exactly what has happened to me. I have managed to get the Stewardship payment made but only by getting a contact in Worcester who persevered and over rode the system some how to make sure it went through.
There was a typo by NE of a field parcel that cocked it up.

Which is why I presume I have not received any BPS, but of course no one tells you anything.
If you want the contact in Worcester PM me.

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