New Land Rover Defender?

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Trouble is just like almost everything else. The newer something is, the less reliable, less capable and more boring and detached they become to drive.

I disagree about reliability. Most cars from the last twenty years are far and away more reliable than older ones and they generally get better all the time. It would be a very rare car in the 1970's that reached 70,000 miles without shedloads of parts being thrown at it and an engine and possibly a major gearbox repair thrown in. Today we think nothing of running reliably for 150,000+ with hardly a hiccup.
Also we have reliable batteries and starters, brakes that don't melt the other side of the hill from Forage Trader, points and distributor caps that have disappeared rather than needing maintenance every 3000 miles. Oil changes every 15,000 miles instead of 3000.

On top of which we have power steering, ABS, no torque steer or tramlining, power and economy you only dreamed of last century. Performance form quite ordinary cars today that match or better the supercars of yesterday.

I reckon that people look back with spectacles heavily dipped in rose-petal honey. Get a Focus ST with Drift Mode to see how it compares with legacy models. I'll tell you now that its in a different league. It might as well be from a different planet, its that involving and exciting. Even the more mid range models will sh!t on earlier models of Focus and Escorts.
Try the Mini. Customisable in so many ways and exciting to drive, as the Mini always was, but now with the quality, performance, handling, reliability and desirability that makes it a worldwide success and a really world class product. The John Cooper Works model had no match back in the day. It used to be just hype. Nowadays you can drive the dream.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Well I drove the sh1t out of an 80 for 9 years. Drove the sh1t out of one of the very first 110's for 8 years & am still driving the sh1t out of a fab 110 200 series. They have been all over the place, never a serious break-down, mainly punctures. Always accepted parked in a farmers gateway whilst I sleep & are just the best for towing (Not the 80 which was just surprising at 90MPH)
If I can keep the current 25 year old machine going for another 10 years I'll be very happy.
SS

The 80 was a Series I was it? I never go one of those above 50mph down hill with the wind behind. The 88 Series III was only slightly better in 2 ¼ diesel form. I had a 2 ¼ petrol for a couple of years and averaged 7mpg. It did ten highway, so I could risk 90 miles before refilling the tank fairly confidently, but only if speed was moderate and it wasn't towing. Its performance was only slightly better than the diesel.
 

zero

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorkshire coast
Trouble is just like almost everything else. The newer something is, the less reliable, less capable and more boring and detached they become to drive.
Older stuff is definitely more lively. I think its because you don't need a computers permission to make it do something.
Our old defender is great for short runs, but the boring computerized comfort of any of the pickups I've owned is alot better for the long distances to the marts and machinery dealers who seem to get further away..
 

Rugbynells

New Member
I must confess to being a Landy fan. I don’t fully understand why the Defender hasn’t evolved to meet whatever regulations are out there, even if pathetic. I guess the Chelsea tractor crew have killed the utility vehicle market and I guess the thousands of vehicles sold to the MOD didn’t make any money. So I wonder what 6 burly Para’s will use to get around Salisbury plain, maybe the no 38 to Netheravon will run every hour!
 

Rugbynells

New Member
That is a matter of opinion. Personally, I don't get on with the un-natural driving position the Hilux provides, even if it has more elbow room.
I was taught to keep my elbows in whilst eating...the same works for driving too ;)
98 Hilux I had the mis fortune to use was the biggest load of crap ever. Gutless and rubbish off-road
 

Pilgrimmick

Member
Location
Argyll
When the Pinzgauer came into military service it was billed as the ultimate wagon. Within months every one we had was broken. They could not take the abuse that their predecessors, the forward control Land Rover, could. Steyr told us they had never had one with a cracked chassis tube. We had six in one battalion! We nearly got the Land Rovers back. It was only the petrol engine that stopped it.
 
Those figures are very good indeed. Where did you find those deals at?
I agree, it is not worth buying new if you like to keep a fresh vehicle, but over 10 years you are still paying out £33600 and you don't even have a vehicle to show for your expense. In the same time as you payed out all that money, my work truck defender 130 has cost me zero, and is pretty much ready for the next 10years and yet another 100000 miles.

Vw financial services and lex autolease
 
Not really just refuse to drive or be a passenger in a 90/110 because they are crap.
:( Are you having a bad day.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall, as you stand by the side of the road in the lashing rain one night as a Land Rover pulls away, leaving you getting soaked after refusing the offer of a lift because as you say "they're crap, and you refuse to be a passenger" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:




God I love tffs pick up/L.R. threads:sneaky:
 
Location
Suffolk
The 80 was a Series I was it? I never go one of those above 50mph down hill with the wind behind. The 88 Series III was only slightly better in 2 ¼ diesel form. I had a 2 ¼ petrol for a couple of years and averaged 7mpg. It did ten highway, so I could risk 90 miles before refilling the tank fairly confidently, but only if speed was moderate and it wasn't towing. Its performance was only slightly better than the diesel.
Ah, I squeezed the wonderful 161hp 3500cc engine in, it flew!:LOL:
The very first 110 was possible the opposite with a 2 & 1/4 na diesel in but it was very big & comfy. (For a LR!)
SS
 

8100

Member
Location
South Cheshire
Not wanting to start a new thread or hijack this one i have just been see a 2006 Jeep Cherokee 2.8 td sport 117k miles its a manual though.Wanted auto but its handy money and quiet tidy. Anyone run one .Mr Google has good accounts on them but the real world is often different .Bit confused over it having a tow bar as Google mentions them been recalled over the chassis rails been altered to stop tow bars been fitted ? TIA :):scratchhead:
 

Magic7

Member
Not wanting to start a new thread or hijack this one i have just been see a 2006 Jeep Cherokee 2.8 td sport 117k miles its a manual though.Wanted auto but its handy money and quiet tidy. Anyone run one .Mr Google has good accounts on them but the real world is often different .Bit confused over it having a tow bar as Google mentions them been recalled over the chassis rails been altered to stop tow bars been fitted ? TIA :):scratchhead:

I own a Grand Cherokee, however as far as I remember the recall is exactly the same. The recall is that with no towbar fitted or with some with sharp edges in the event of a rear end collision the petrol tank can be punctured. Jeep did not have an EU approved towbar so just fitted a brace between the chassis rails. An EU approved towbar is now available due to the large outcry after Jeep effectively told people you can't tow with these anymore, and some third party towbars are approved (especially if you run the tank right down before you put it in for the recall).

Consequently you can ignore old posts saying towbars aren't available since they are now. I have however chosen not to have the recall done on mine since I looked at it and decided mine looked safe and by the time the bar would move enough to damage the tank you'd have much bigger issues (i.e. being already dead) since it's the strongest bit of the car (on the Grand Cherokee anyway).

I really wouldn't worry about it.
 

8100

Member
Location
South Cheshire
Thanks very helpful reply :):cool: This is the beasty
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Land Rover

Member
Location
North Ayrshire
I hope the new Defender is good , I really do .
If that price is correct then it's probably going to be unaffordable for anyone that wants to work it and risk any damage , or people like me that couldn't afford or justify it :)
It would seem to have departed from the original design plan .
I did a lot of off road events in the past . The Landy on coils was the easiest to modify and also the cheapest to get spare parts for . It really had a lot going for it from the DIY bodger market . The Japanese 4x4's were good but parts were expensive , departure angles were poor and modifying them was usually more difficult and expensive .
A Landy 90 or 110 in standard trim would go much further offroad than any other standard 4x4 . .
The fact the Jap stuff was far more comfortable can't be denied .
The newer defenders I can't really comment on , never had one and probably never will .
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
I hope it’s good too. I’m getting one. My ex wife had my old one. Although it was rubbish in so many ways, I also have so many funny stories about it.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Vw no upfront payment but we pay a month in advance. Lex was 3 but that’s built into the figure above to give an average.

How long ago was that deal ? Couldn’t get a hire deal below £500 last autumn on a V6 so ended up buying one as it was far cheaper (assuming it’s worth more than 10k in 3 years time)
 

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