Post Brexit agri plans revealed

alex04w

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
The Irish Farmers Journal has a headline article of a leaked Department of Agriculture plan for post Brexit agricultural in Northern Ireland. The full document is due out at the end of January 2018.

The article is here, but is behind a paywall. https://www.farmersjournal.ie/post-brexit-agri-plans-revealed-334715

The summary report of the leak is as follows (items in bold are mine for emphasis of some things):-

Firstly short term - 2019 to 2022. This is where the British say that they will mirror CAP. CAP rules will be followed exactly until 2019 when we leave. The suggestion is that we will probably follow CAP entirely during a transition period to 2021. However, entitlements will be converted to Sterling entirely in 2019.

"However, assuming there is some room to make changes from 2020 to 2022, it is understood that current draft proposals include retaining area based payments to active farmers, but ditching greening rules. It would mean the current greening payment is incorporated into the overall BPS."

The current transition to flat rate payments may continue, but this will be left to a Minister (if we ever get one!!).

Longer term - post 2022 when we full leave post any transition period. Four key themes are proposed - increasing productivity, improving resilience, environmental sustainability and an improved supply chain.

"Central to increasing productivity is understood to be farmer education, with an aim already in place that by 2025, everyone who takes over a farm business will have at least a Level III qualification in agricultural. Those who have this level of achievement could be given preferential access to DAERA / CAFRE advice, with a programme of continuous professional development also proposed for farmers." Under this area land tenure will be looked at.

"When it comes to resilience to shocks such as a downturn in markets or bad weather, the draft plan for NI agricultural recognises that continuing with some level of direct payments to farmers is part of the solution."

However it notes "But there is concern that the level of payments actually acts to insulate poor performers against market reality"

"It means that direct payments envisaged post 2022 are at a much lower level than currently, with money instead redirected to increasing productivity (eg through farmer training) and enhancing the environment. It is this latter theme that could lead to the greatest level of change in the industry, with additional payments made to those who follow good environmental practice".

My comments - This seems to be a good start to post Brexit agricultural. At least it is a good start to the debate. I await the full proposals in due course!

What do others think??
 

Ashtree

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This plan waddles like a duck. It quacks just like a duck. Actually it is a duck!
No two ways about it. No real hiding the fact that it is a real duck. A real London Tory type duck.

Payments and support for agriculture are going away. FAST! Couched in frilly language mentioning training, education!!

But everybody knew all along that farming would get thrown to the wolves in this Brexit scenario. It’s no real surprise. Is it?

The back bone of NI farming, mainly the parallel back bone of the DUP, will be really happy to read this! No doubt awkward questions will need answering by Arlene and Sammy, and Nigel et al!
 

alex04w

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
This plan waddles like a duck. It quacks just like a duck. Actually it is a duck!
No two ways about it. No real hiding the fact that it is a real duck. A real London Tory type duck.

Payments and support for agriculture are going away. FAST! Couched in frilly language mentioning training, education!!

But everybody knew all along that farming would get thrown to the wolves in this Brexit scenario. It’s no real surprise. Is it?

The back bone of NI farming, mainly the parallel back bone of the DUP, will be really happy to read this! No doubt awkward questions will need answering by Arlene and Sammy, and Nigel et al!

You used to be vaguely funny. Now you are more and more troll like.

No direct criticism, just the usual meaningless phrases like 'thrown under a bus' and overt anti DUP attacks.

What is not to like about the ditching of the greening rules - perhaps one of the most stupid rules to come out of the EU.

You don't like Brexit - everyone knows that. If you must comment on everything, at least make it sensible, relevant and without the anti British / anti DUP slant.

Try this one for a start - what is wrong with ditching greening rules in the emerald isle. How much more green can we be?
 

Ashtree

Member
You used to be vaguely funny. Now you are more and more troll like.

No direct criticism, just the usual meaningless phrases like 'thrown under a bus' and overt anti DUP attacks.

What is not to like about the ditching of the greening rules - perhaps one of the most stupid rules to come out of the EU.

You don't like Brexit - everyone knows that. If you must comment on everything, at least make it sensible, relevant and without the anti British / anti DUP slant.

Try this one for a start - what is wrong with ditching greening rules in the emerald isle. How much more green can we be?

I didn’t even vaguely comment on the rights or wrongs of greening.
I merely pointed to the fact that the leaked report points strongly to removal of supports for farming.
That in my opinion is only to be expected given the hostility historically shown by London and Westminster for farming in general and the concept of monetary supports for farming in particular.
Given the DUP were the only political group in NI to advocate Brexit, I now deduce that it’s farming members will scratch their heads, and ask a few obvious questions.
 

Sweepa

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Location
Northern Ireland
How can a farm increase productivity when payments are massively reduced? how do you afford to plough land, put up fencing, build sheds when you dont make a profit in the first place. This will be a huge blow to suckler farmers!
 
Lol...level 3 in farming...lol...the vast majority of farm infrastructure and surrounding infrastructure was built in the protectionism era and subsidy era...take that away...and you like australia...roads back to gravel and blue tarp as a shed...

Borrow yourself to oblivion...

Good luck.

Ant...
 

caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
How can a farm increase productivity when payments are massively reduced? how do you afford to plough land, put up fencing, build sheds when you dont make a profit in the first place. This will be a huge blow to suckler farmers!

Maybe the Irish are well over stocked already if their farmers are given subsidy to rape the mainland of forage?
Pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap.
Always an unsustainable business plan.
Cut back. Self sufficient. More margin.
 
The only way Australian farming has survived post protection was borrowing against the equity that was built during the protection era...our farming industry has gone ahead yes...but the debt has sky rocketed...if we didnt have that equity to borrow against this country would be vastly different today.

Ant...
 

Ashtree

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im guessing thats what they will do to you guys...as i imagine there is a great amount of value locked up in dirt..and they will want that to be on the banks balance sheet not yours...

Ant...

Maybe we won’t be as eager to give a charge on our dirt to the banks as your farmers were / are!!!

Our forefathers were evicted from their holdings in generations past and their land handed to foreign gentry as reward for loyalty to the wan-ker king or queen of the day.

Many a war and battle has been fought to get that land back. Many of the usurpers of the so called law and justice system were as a result packed unceremoniously off to Van Deemens Land!!
I for one won’t be stacking debt in my piece of dirt!

PS: Perhaps we are cousins???? Did any of your lot arrive in shackles from this part of the globe?
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

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