Early loan scheme for Scots farmers

Nithsdale · Aug 14, 2018

PSQ said:
So if the French screw up their IT system it makes it OK for ScotGov to waste £180 million of tax payers money?

At least it makes a change from blaming all their fudgeups on 'Westminster'

The basic requirements of the IT system were laid at EU level. As far as I'm aware there has been no nation implemented their system without problems.

It doesn'tmake it OK that Scotgovs has failed, but it highlights how widespread the problems are and how difficult it was to implement in the first place.

But dont let the facts get in the way of ignorance.

PSQ · Aug 14, 2018

Nithsdale Farmer said:
But dont let the facts get in the way of ignorance.

Do you mean the wee white book of 'facts'?

Nithsdale · Aug 14, 2018

PSQ said:

Put that bitch Davidson in, then you'd see how much of a farce Scotgovs would be

Fallowfield · Aug 14, 2018

Nithsdale Farmer said:
And if you knew anything, you'd know Richard Lochhead spent 2 years fighting this IT system!
He said it wouldn't work and he did not want to implement it. But the NFUs fought hard to get it. Now maybe Lochhead was too weak, or maybe for once NFUs used their power - but it was their model which was used. And as soon as it became apparent it was going to fail, NFUs distanced themselves and have been kicking the govt. ever since.

If you want to blame anyone for the turd Fergus Ewing is trying to polish, then it is the NFUs.

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Do you have any links to articles or reports that would support your version of events regarding the introduction of the computer system, who proposed it and who opposed it?

If what you say is true then it's surprising that more has not been made of it by the SNP.

Top Tip. · Aug 14, 2018

Fallowfield said:
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Do you have any links to articles or reports that would support your version of events regarding the introduction of the computer system, who proposed it and who opposed it?

If what you say is true then it's surprising that more has not been made of it by the SNP.

It wasn’t actually the IT system that the NFU fought for,it was the system of payments that they wanted as it was seen to be the fairest across the country to all members. The IT system and its utterly shambolic delivery is down to Scotgov and the civil servants within it.

Hilly · Aug 14, 2018

Nithsdale Farmer said:
The basic requirements of the IT system were laid at EU level. As far as I'm aware there has been no nation implemented their system without problems.

It doesn'tmake it OK that Scotgovs has failed, but it highlights how widespread the problems are and how difficult it was to implement in the first place.

But dont let the facts get in the way of ignorance.

http://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news/16248664.Former_NFUS_president_blasts_IT_failures_____again/

glasshouse · Aug 14, 2018

fieldfarmer said:
With out trying to sound like a dick, what "weather related problems" have the Scottish suffered from that the rest of the country hasn't ?

You failed there.
if you want an early payment, scotgov cant help you if you are south of the border

glasshouse · Aug 14, 2018

Lets just be grateful that scotgov is going to pay the last subsidy cheque early

Fallowfield · Aug 14, 2018

Top Tip. said:
It wasn’t actually the IT system that the NFU fought for,it was the system of payments that they wanted as it was seen to be the fairest across the country to all members. The IT system and its utterly shambolic delivery is down to Scotgov and the civil servants within it.

Yes that seems to be a more credible version of events.

Apart from anything else I couldn't see how the NFU would be involved in choosing an IT system for the Scottish Government.

davieh3350 · Aug 14, 2018

fieldfarmer said:
With out trying to sound like a dick, what "weather related problems" have the Scottish suffered from that the rest of the country hasn't ?

its got nothing to do with weather.

but! we should get tourist relief. The constant good weather has flooded the country with people and cars. Far more arduous than a bit of snow and ice.

willie waver · Aug 14, 2018

fieldfarmer said:
With out trying to sound like a dick, what "weather related problems" have the Scottish suffered from that the rest of the country hasn't ?

well, its been pissing down for the last three weeks and my fields are getting worryingly soft again.........

bigw · Aug 14, 2018

I would be happy if they could pay me the last of last years BPS.

Weasel · Aug 14, 2018

Greythundercloudys said:
Yes it was October last year, lm not a fan of the snp either, but l think they try there best for farmers, but that payment to help with the cost of dead ones in the spring was a joke. I got 40£, it cost 18 to get one sheep lifted.

How many dead ones did you have?

Nithsdale · Aug 14, 2018

Hilly said:
http://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news/16248664.Former_NFUS_president_blasts_IT_failures_____again/

Christ you're clutching at straws quoting Walker the Talker and the TSF who couldn't report a sneeze!

Nithsdale · Aug 14, 2018

You all also realise those Civil Servants in Soughton House are Untouchables - they are above government. This IT system would be a failure regardless who was in power because those barstewards don't lose their job.

glasshouse · Aug 14, 2018

The Nfu made sure that landowners would benefit the most from bps, and tenants would be simply evicted so the landlord could claim it.

Fallowfield · Aug 14, 2018

Nithsdale Farmer said:
You all also realise those Civil Servants in Soughton House are Untouchables - they are above government. This IT system would be a failure regardless who was in power because those barstewards don't lose their job.

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So the debacle is the fault of the NFU or the Civil Servants but it definitely isn't the fault of the SNP Government?

Nithsdale · Aug 14, 2018

Fallowfield said:
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So the debacle is the fault of the NFU or the Civil Servants but it definitely isn't the fault of the SNP Government?

No.

But your blind and ignorant to blame ONLY the SNP which is what is being attempted, ignoring the fact there's a lot of other sh*t that went, and goes, on.

Greythundercloudys · Aug 14, 2018

To many,

Fallowfield · Aug 14, 2018

Nithsdale Farmer said:
No.

But your blind and ignorant to blame ONLY the SNP which is what is being attempted, ignoring the fact there's a lot of other sh*t that went, and goes, on.

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That's the thing about being in Government, you're responsible for what happens while you're in office.

The cult members don't seem to understand that.

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