And the bitterness is on the remain side!
Good Luck youll need it i fear
Brexit - Fifty Year Purgatory.
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Good Luck youll need it i fear
Of course. Some are very bad losers even if they did not get off their backsides to vote.
I voted
My then 17 year old son however was not allowed unlike the scottish referendum,and his generation will be the ones to benefit or loose from brexit whichever way it goes
does that make me a "bad loser" ?
Thankyou for that; an interesting read and I see there are issues. But most of those issues can be removed with the goodwill of the country of residence; and as contributing resident of that country, why would your contribution (and eventual assimilation?) not be valued and honoured? You are not casual workers, here today and gone tomorrow; you are people who have chosen to make other EU countries your home.
I have heard that argument so many times and it is as if this situation never occurred in any vote at any point in time before. This will always be the case, 2016, next year and any year in the future and ,yes , some of us will die before this is ever resolved. It is a spurious argument about a simple fact of life. Our parents did things for better or for worse and we had no say at the time. That will always be the case. Changing the voting age is not the answer either because another raft of people will have been born too soon or too late.
So why was it changed for the scottish referendum?
http://newsthump.com/2018/10/18/bre...be-extended-until-all-leave-voters-have-died/
No offence intended,
No offence intended,
The SNP thought that they would get more support from the young voters but it back fired on them. There are a number of flaws with giving the vote to 16 year olds. Firstly they have no life’s experience and their views are often highly influenced by teachers at school many of whom are institutionalised and have very radical outlooks. In my opinion the voting age should be raised to 25 because many youngsters are still in full time education until they are over 20.
That does not advance the argument one inch. I think I will still be alive at the next general election and if TM does not pull herself together she will be surplus to requirement very soon.
Its because brits on foreign soil have a far better comprehension of the mechanisms of the Eu than Brexiters including those In the cabinet who didn’t know the single market or customs union existed until after the referendum!
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If leaving the EU is so ruddy marvellous prey tell us why? So far the only benefits I can see are turning UK farmers in to park keepers, Manufacturing having no components and a massively reduced market place, financial services all legging it to the continent. India the US and many other countries wanting cripplingly distorted future trade deals. Stockpiling of food and medicines and the army on standby as a distribution service for them. Impossible future border regulations. Oh, but we will have more sovereignty than the other sovereign nations that make up the EU. Well you can't eat sovereignty.
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Best of luck to you in trying to get any decent answers to that question!If leaving the EU is so ruddy marvellous prey tell us why? So far the only benefits I can see are turning UK farmers in to park keepers, Manufacturing having no components and a massively reduced market place, financial services all legging it to the continent. India the US and many other countries wanting cripplingly distorted future trade deals. Stockpiling of food and medicines and the army on standby as a distribution service for them. Impossible future border regulations. Oh, but we will have more sovereignty than the other sovereign nations that make up the EU. Well you can't eat sovereignty.
If that is a consequence of leaving, and it may well be overplayed, it could also be viewed as a consequence of joining in the first place. Never too late to escape from a closing trap, always too late once the door has shut.If leaving the EU is so ruddy marvellous prey tell us why? So far the only benefits I can see are turning UK farmers in to park keepers, Manufacturing having no components and a massively reduced market place, financial services all legging it to the continent. India the US and many other countries wanting cripplingly distorted future trade deals. Stockpiling of food and medicines and the army on standby as a distribution service for them. Impossible future border regulations. Oh, but we will have more sovereignty than the other sovereign nations that make up the EU. Well you can't eat sovereignty.
If leaving the EU is so ruddy marvellous prey tell us why? So far the only benefits I can see are turning UK farmers in to park keepers, Manufacturing having no components and a massively reduced market place, financial services all legging it to the continent. India the US and many other countries wanting cripplingly distorted future trade deals. Stockpiling of food and medicines and the army on standby as a distribution service for them. Impossible future border regulations. Oh, but we will have more sovereignty than the other
sovereign nations that make up the EU. Well you can't eat sovereignty.
Scudding white clouds in a blue sky, cricket on the green, tea and cream scones, no rude foreigners (unless converted to our customs and values), village bobby walking his beat with not a lot to do, Victors, Vulcans, Valients flying overhead, Harry Palmer maintaining our security etc. What's not to like?
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You have to wonder, as Brexit is mostly a product of the retired 60+ generation. Can it all be blamed on all those old school books they had in the 50's and 60's what still showed how the UK still ruled a quarter of the world as well as being its workshop, how we brought civilisation to all these ungrateful foreigners, not forgetting the 2 world wars we won single handedly.
Firstly Brexit means different things to different people, so not every one who wants to leave will agree with all of the following:-
1 Europe is a socialist block - the UK is conservative (with a small 'c'). With the exceptions of the like of Jeremy Corbin and Michael Foot, even the socialist side of the UK is conservative in outlook. Michael Foot was unelectable and I believe Jeremy Corbin is the same for this very reason. Therefore the UK and the EU are incompatible. It is notable that where ‘nationalist’ parties hold a sway in the UK, then they do tend to be socialist in outlook. This is perhaps why Scotland voted to remain and why west of the Bann in Northern Ireland voted remain.
2 The UK is a common law jurisdiction. Very little of the EU is common law (Ireland is an exception, but its laws are British based, even if they do not like to admit it). This is one of the main reasons that international companies have based themselves in the UK and will largely stay there when we leave the EU.
3 The UK was a 'duty' based society and the EU is a 'rights' based society. Tony Bliar did his best to the destroy the UK from that point of view. Sadly I fear we are so far down this path that we may recover our britishness in this respect. 'Rights' have got so ridiculous that Kleenex have had to bin their 'mansized' tissues as the name is supposedly offensive. It is time this nation returned to its duty based out look – our duty to God, Queen, Country and our fellow citizens.
4 The UK is a protestant Christian nation and the EU is largely roman catholic. Again this has been weakened in recent years and the protestant Christianity is perhaps more nominal than real at present. A great influx of EU citizens has not helped the situation. This is also tied in with point 1. Socialism and roman catholicism go hand in hand across many nations.
5 Since the Lisbon Treaty the UK has ceased to be a sovereign nation. The Queen is even a ‘european’ citizen now. However this is glossed over. The EU is clearly sovereign at present. Parliament in no longer sovereign. It must pass laws handed down from the EU and its discretion in other areas is limited by being in the EU.
6 The UK Courts are no longer the final arbiter of justice in this nation. We have to submit ourselves to the rule of law from the ECJ. This is very much tied in with point 2 above. The ECJs outlook on the law is very different to the UK outlook due to the different basis to the law.
This is all I can think of at present, but I am sure it is enough to start an argument (or two!).
I have not touched on the economic side as some things are way beyond financial consideration.
1 Europe is a socialist block - the UK is conservative (with a small 'c'). With the exceptions of the like of Jeremy Corbin and Michael Foot, even the socialist side of the UK is conservative in outlook. Michael Foot was unelectable and I believe Jeremy Corbin is the same for this very reason. Therefore the UK and the EU are incompatible. It is notable that where ‘nationalist’ parties hold a sway in the UK, then they do tend to be socialist in outlook. This is perhaps why Scotland voted to remain and why west of the Bann in Northern Ireland voted remain.
2 The UK is a common law jurisdiction. Very little of the EU is common law (Ireland is an exception, but its laws are British based, even if they do not like to admit it). This is one of the main reasons that international companies have based themselves in the UK and will largely stay there when we leave the EU.
3 The UK was a 'duty' based society and the EU is a 'rights' based society. Tony Bliar did his best to the destroy the UK from that point of view. Sadly I fear we are so far down this path that we may recover our britishness in this respect. 'Rights' have got so ridiculous that Kleenex have had to bin their 'mansized' tissues as the name is supposedly offensive. It is time this nation returned to its duty based out look – our duty to God, Queen, Country and our fellow citizens.
4 The UK is a protestant Christian nation and the EU is largely roman catholic. Again this has been weakened in recent years and the protestant Christianity is perhaps more nominal than real at present. A great influx of EU citizens has not helped the situation. This is also tied in with point 1. Socialism and roman catholicism go hand in hand across many nations.
5 Since the Lisbon Treaty the UK has ceased to be a sovereign nation. The Queen is even a ‘european’ citizen now. However this is glossed over. The EU is clearly sovereign at present. Parliament in no longer sovereign. It must pass laws handed down from the EU and its discretion in other areas is limited by being in the EU.
6 The UK Courts are no longer the final arbiter of justice in this nation. We have to submit ourselves to the rule of law from the ECJ. This is very much tied in with point 2 above. The ECJs outlook on the law is very different to the UK outlook due to the different basis to the law.
This is all I can think of at present, but I am sure it is enough to start an argument (or two!).
I have not touched on the economic side as some things are way beyond financial consideration.