Incoming new scottish independent referendum.

Devil_0101 · Jan 17, 2019

melted welly said:
I quite agree, the loss of freedom of movement is one of the reasons I voted to remain. I sell produce that is exported to eu, again a reason I voted to remain. I also think the EU model is deeply flawed and can understand why people voted out. The way to enact change has to come from within, but I gather the commission was not open to suggestions, so again, I can understand why people would want to leave.

We live in a democracy, albeit currently headed up by donkeys on all sides, the vote went the way it did, c’est la vie.

Suck it up, move on and make the best of it we can.

Whining never solved anything.

Leaving is not the way to fix the problems the EU has, i'm pro-EU but i support the EU that avoid us from killing each other and allow us to move our trades inside the community, giving better opportunities to everybody, last thing we want is to go back under an USA capitalist dictatorship or under a soviet communist dictatorship.

However many people in the EU parliament see the EU only as a way to make as much money they can, these are the one who are really ruining the EU, and to fix it we have to discuss in the parliament. These sharks who have been collecting piece of papers they will never use will economically invade the UK to get everything they have. Pay attention, these sharks care nothing about their own countries. You might have them in your own country too.

arcobob · Jan 17, 2019

Devil_0101 said:
Leaving is not the way to fix the problems the EU has, i'm pro-EU but i support the EU that avoid us from killing each other and allow us to move our trades inside the community, giving better opportunities to everybody, last thing we want is to go back under an USA capitalist dictatorship or under a soviet communist dictatorship.

However many people in the EU parliament see the EU only as a way to make as much money they can, these are the one who are really ruining the EU, and to fix it we have to discuss in the parliament. These sharks who have been collecting piece of papers they will never use will economically invade the UK to get everything they have. Pay attention, these sharks care nothing about their own countries. You might have them in your own country too.

The most sensible post you have made by a mile, sorry 1.6km. The problem is how to correct the situation without rocking the boat to the disadvantage of all. You have now recognised and explained the impossible situation we now find ourselves in. We feel no ill will to the nations of Europe , just the monster which is the EU.

nivilla1982 · Jan 17, 2019

Sturgeon to set out indyref2 plans even if Brexit extended
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46905024

arcobob · Jan 17, 2019

nivilla1982 said:
Sturgeon to set out indyref2 plans even if Brexit extended
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46905024

Sturgeon is an opportunist like Corbyn and a host of political vermin. If she wants another referendum I think she should fund it .

Devil_0101 · Jan 17, 2019

arcobob said:
The most sensible post you have made by a mile, sorry 1.6km. The problem is how to correct the situation without rocking the boat to the disadvantage of all. You have now recognised and explained the impossible situation we now find ourselves in. We feel no ill will to the nations of Europe , just the monster which is the EU.

This is a common problem, we say companies and banks make the rules, but we do work for companies and we do put money in the banks. So there is no fix.

The only thing we might do is to start to make institutions from the people to help the people, in italy the movement has been doing this with good results.

melted welly · Jan 17, 2019

Devil_0101 said:
Leaving is not the way to fix the problems the EU has, i'm pro-EU but i support the EU that avoid us from killing each other and allow us to move our trades inside the community, giving better opportunities to everybody, last thing we want is to go back under an USA capitalist dictatorship or under a soviet communist dictatorship.

However many people in the EU parliament see the EU only as a way to make as much money they can, these are the one who are really ruining the EU, and to fix it we have to discuss in the parliament. These sharks who have been collecting piece of papers they will never use will economically invade the UK to get everything they have. Pay attention, these sharks care nothing about their own countries. You might have them in your own country too.

Oh yes, they’re here alright.

melted welly · Jan 17, 2019

nivilla1982 said:
Sturgeon to set out indyref2 plans even if Brexit extended
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46905024

Only taken her just over a year.

By “set out” presumably she means make more speeches starting with “let me be clear” that turn out to be anything but clear, ending with a false laugh and a snide comment about tories, England or Westminster.

At least an we’d get a bit of variety to the speeches if she wins and can’t blame England anymore.

ollie989898 · Jan 17, 2019

M-J-G said:
Interesting, so if NI and Wales had their own Parliament you would have English only MPs in Westminster?

Absolutely. Hand them the cheque once a year and tell them to run their own region.

Jackov Altraids · Jan 18, 2019

I hadn't realised the extent that the UK had kept Northern Ireland and Scotland in the EC in 1975......

I think it was the right decision to stay then and to leave now.

Highland Mule · Jan 18, 2019

Jackov Altraids said:
I hadn't realised the extent that the UK had kept Northern Ireland and Scotland in the EC in 1975......

I think it was the right decision to stay then and to leave now.

Surely we should have respected the referendum then and not held one in 2016? What an affront to democracy!

ollie989898 · Jan 18, 2019

I have said this before, I have utterly no problem with the UK entering a trading agreement with a collection of European nations. They are in close proximity to us and sell stuff we like. No problem.

HOWEVER.

Other trading agreements do NOT insist on the free movement of people, or a single currency (they would in fact by disadvantaged by that) or common fiscal or monetary controls. They have little political common interest and instead arrangements like the TPP insist on each country being able to formulate their own policies and trading arrangements. That is a specific wording in that agreement.

Why might that be?

arcobob · Jan 18, 2019

Highland Mule said:
Surely we should have respected the referendum then and not held one in 2016? What an affront to democracy!

The goal posts moved by a big margin without consultation with the British people. The Brexit referendum was an inevitable consequence of being continually shafted by politicians seeking to feather their own nests. We now reap what they have sown.

ollie989898 · Jan 18, 2019

arcobob said:
The goal posts moved by a big margin without consultation with the British people. The Brexit referendum was an inevitable consequence of being continually shafted by politicians seeking to feather their own nests. We now reap what they have sown.

People just want political accountability more than anything and not wayne kerr politicians or mandarins saying: 'can't do that: EU rules'.

wanton dwarf · Jan 18, 2019

ollie989898 said:
People just want political accountability more than anything and not wayne kerr politicians or mandarins saying: 'can't do that: EU rules'.

Yes we do want accountability.

Liberals and Socialists think that only works one way ..

M-J-G · Jan 18, 2019

arcobob said:
The goal posts moved by a big margin without consultation with the British people. The Brexit referendum was an inevitable consequence of being continually shafted by politicians seeking to feather their own nests. We now reap what they have sown.

And at home we have politicians who.........
oh yes, line their own nests.

I don't really care about Brexit, but I can't see leaving making much of a difference to my life, we will still get shafted whether we are in or out.

All of those who are arguing about if we should be in or out need to realise that we are unimportant to those that run things.

Devil_0101 · Jan 19, 2019

ollie989898 said:
I have said this before, I have utterly no problem with the UK entering a trading agreement with a collection of European nations. They are in close proximity to us and sell stuff we like. No problem.

The small cost of those benefits is that you must be a net contributor, but you don't want to net contribution and you pretend to buy EU goodies as if you were a member of it. Someone told the the UK, "you voted to leave, so what are you still doing here?"

Don't you get the EU does not want to have any kind of deal with your country anymore? Regards.

ollie989898 · Jan 19, 2019

Devil_0101 said:
The small cost of those benefits is that you must be a net contributor, but you don't want to net contribution and you pretend to buy EU goodies as if you were a member of it. Someone told the the UK, "you voted to leave, so what are you still doing here?"

Don't you get the EU does not want to have any kind of deal with your country anymore? Regards.

Put simply: fudge them then.

czechmate · Jan 19, 2019

Jackov Altraids said:
I hadn't realised the extent that the UK had kept Northern Ireland and Scotland in the EC in 1975......

I think it was the right decision to stay then and to leave now.

That should read “England”?

arcobob · Jan 19, 2019

czechmate said:
That should read “England”?

And Wales

Jackov Altraids · Jan 19, 2019

czechmate said:
That should read “England”?

I did consider putting England and Wales but it was a referendum of the UK and it would have ignored the will of the voters in Scotland and Northern Ireland who may have been in the minority.

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