Irish Border post Brexit

alex04w

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
There are rumours of changes to the backstop coming from Germany and The Netherlands, but Dublin won't want to give an inch. Although the DUP are saying that the backstop has to go, I think a legally binding time limit would be enough to get their votes.

I think the DUP position is that any one of the following three changes would result in them backing Mrs May's deal:-

1 scrap the backstop
2 put a time limit on the backstop
3 allow for the unilateral leaving of the backstop
 
I must say, if there is one shining light I have seen throughout the entire issue of Brexit and it's appearance on the news, it as the calls from both sides of the border and explaining in no uncertain terms thus: they wanted no border; they wanted to trade and move freely, and go about their lives and conduct business as they have been doing for many years now. This is a far cry from the days of razor wire and vehicle checkpoints, long may it continue and shame on anyone trying to incite tensions by relying on memories of the latter to further their own agenda.
 

Farm buy

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Livestock Farmer
Well i for one find his posts very interesting.I have never studied the history of Ireland,nor have i been across the water yet,i hope to one day.But its all a bit of a mystery to me.All i hear is the bitterness and divide,but surely its better than before the Good Friday agreement?
Visited there lasy year.Everything is on a knife edge there but huge progress has been made in alot of areas . I hope what I heard tonight about a car bomb is just an isolated incident
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
In one sense the latest generation of “dissident” republicans terror groups is the continuation of an historical trend in violent Irish Republicanism were one group will be defeated/fought to a standstill/ or run out of support for the “cause”. The group will ceased armed action adopt a more political strategy etc.
There will be a split over who are the true “irish republicans” and inheritors of Irish Republican legitimacy from 1916 etc. So that is why there is the Provisional IRA, Continuity IRA, the Real IRA and so on.
 

Wellytrack

Member
In one sense the latest generation of “dissident” republicans terror groups is the continuation of an historical trend in violent Irish Republicanism were one group will be defeated/fought to a standstill/ or run out of support for the “cause”. The group will ceased armed action adopt a more political strategy etc.
There will be a split over who are the true “irish republicans” and inheritors of Irish Republican legitimacy from 1916 etc. So that is why there is the Provisional IRA, Continuity IRA, the Real IRA and so on.

Don’t forget the Low fat IRA, Free range IRA and the ‘ I can’t believe it’s not the IRA’
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
There was an interview on the television earlier with, I think, the Polish Deputy PM. He stated that it would be a good idea for the Irish to accept a five year limit to 'the backstop'. The Irish Foreign Minister was very quick to say 'No'.

Another example of EU unity?
 
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Joe

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Location
Carlow Ireland
There was an interview on the television earlier with, I think, the Polish Deputy PM. He stated that it would be a good idea for the Irish to accept a five year limit to 'the backstop'. the Irish Foreign Minister was very quick to say 'No'.

Another example of EU unity?

Hardly up there with the 'United' front UK politicians been showing over past few weeks.

On a less sarcastic tone, people will get edgy as the end of March approaches and expect random comments from different places. Reality is there is a real issue that a workable solution needs to be found, how that is found is current concern not some random local focused populist politicians remarks there is already enough of them.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Hardly up there with the 'United' front UK politicians been showing over past few weeks.

On a less sarcastic tone, people will get edgy as the end of March approaches and expect random comments from different places. Reality is there is a real issue that a workable solution needs to be found, how that is found is current concern not some random local focused populist politicians remarks there is already enough of them.

Ah, but we have open divisions you in Europe are a 'united front', right? ;)

Less sarcastically, :D, there was a very interesting comment made by Damian Green (TM's best chum) on the BBC R4 World at One, he mentioned that the 'backstop' could be replaced by a so-called 'frontstop'. Meaning that the generally preferred position at the end of negotiations would be the default situation unless a mutually agreed alternative was reached.

That sounds odd at first, but it may be a very clever way through, since it would guarantee the UK leaving the SM and CU and ECJ jurisdiction and not having any internal border and would, at the same time, remove the Irish-perceived risk of a 'hard' border. It would also focus minds on both sides as to the best way of facilitating all this.


An interesting comment from an EU spokesman just now, No Deal guarantees a 'hard' border... Hmm... nearly right. It guarantees a 'hard' border on the EU / Irish side, we have said that there won't be one. (y)
 

Ashtree

Member
There was an interview on the television earlier with, I think, the Polish Deputy PM. He stated that it would be a good idea for the Irish to accept a five year limit to 'the backstop'. the Irish Foreign Minister was very quick to say 'No'.

Another example of EU unity?

Shouldn’t Polska concentrate all his efforts on interfering interfering with his judiciary. Figured the high court judges were “enemies of the people”. Ring any bells???

Gindobra!!
 

Farm buy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Ah, but we have open divisions you in Europe are a 'united front', right? ;)

Less sarcastically, :D, there was a very interesting comment made by Damian Green (TM's best chum) on the BBC R4 World at One, he mentioned that the 'backstop' could be replaced by a so-called 'frontstop'. Meaning that the generally preferred position at the end of negotiations would be the default situation unless a mutually agreed alternative was reached.

That sounds odd at first, but it may be a very clever way through, since it would guarantee the UK leaving the SM and CU and ECJ jurisdiction and not having any internal border and would, at the same time, remove the Irish-perceived risk of a 'hard' border. It would also focus minds on both sides as to the best way of facilitating all this.


An interesting comment from an EU spokesman just now, No Deal guarantees a 'hard' border... Hmm... nearly right. It guarantees a 'hard' border on the EU / Irish side, we have said that there won't be one. (y)
Correct.
There has to be a border if UK & irl are sharing a land border the same everywhere that the EU borders a third nation.
 

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