- Location
- Bay of Plenty NZ
They are already part of a free trade group much larger than just the UK, why reduce their markets?
No deal brexit
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Scribus
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- Location
- Central Atlantic
He also insisted that Prussia cease to exist after the war, saying that it was the cause of all the trouble in Europe, or words to that effect. You might wipe the name off the map but you can't alter the teleology it would seem.
caveman
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- Location
- East Sussex.
But it's not a free trade area, is it?
The costs are enormous.
The world is a far larger area to exploit than a constrictive portion of Europe.
Which European country is Eire's largest, soon to be non free trade, customer?
- Location
- Beragh, Co Tyrone, Northern Ireland
Traditionally SF were opposed to the EU project, then come the referendum there was slight surprise when they came out in support of continued UK membership. Suggestion from some remain campaigners in NI was they did very little campaigning, they didn't register as an official campaign organisation etc. Their support is presumably opportunistic.
Pieces_of_Eight
Member
Everything has a cost.
If we do have a no deal exit, we can revisit the costs of trading on WTO terms in a couple of years.
Joe
Member
- Location
- Carlow Ireland
You are only considering agricultural goods, economy here is small open economy with large big pharma and electronics that are sold into wider market than just UK. It makes way more sense for us to continue with access to larger free market within EU, and the trade deals the EU can organise with the rest of the world as a small open economy.
- Location
- Ceredigion
caveman
Member
- Location
- East Sussex.
wanton dwarf
Member
Theresa May's deal ties the UK to the EU indefinately.
No end date, no start of trade deal talks, fixed VAT rates for 8 years beyond the final leave date, if a deal does not exist for the UK to leave judged by the EU, then the UK moves into a state where the UK ceases to exist and ALL activites are run by the EU - that's ECJ, Tax, Foreign policy everything.
It's time Remainers grew up .. Remainers are literally giving the UK away.
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wanton dwarf
Member
Ireland did vote to Leave the EU until they had the screw put on them by France & Germany.
Hindsight
Member
- Location
- Lincolnshire
The German establishment wants the UK to stay in the EU – of course they do
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JANUARY 18, 2019
There should be no surprise that senior German government figures want the UK to stay in the EU. They show their scorn for democracy by asking for that and take us for fools. They want the UK to keep on paying huge sums of money to help with the costs of their political and monetary union which we have never wanted to join. They want the EU to write our laws for us to help their commercial interests. They want to keep UK tariffs high on cars and food from the rest of the world to ensure they run a huge trade surplus with us at the expense of UK consumers. If I were a German politician I would be desperate for the UK to sign the Withdrawal Agreement or cancel Article 50 as that would be great for Germany. It would also mean the UK looking stupid in the eyes of the rest of the world as we dithered and then climbed down over our future, saying we cannot manage to be independent and govern ourselves
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JANUARY 18, 2019
There should be no surprise that senior German government figures want the UK to stay in the EU. They show their scorn for democracy by asking for that and take us for fools. They want the UK to keep on paying huge sums of money to help with the costs of their political and monetary union which we have never wanted to join. They want the EU to write our laws for us to help their commercial interests. They want to keep UK tariffs high on cars and food from the rest of the world to ensure they run a huge trade surplus with us at the expense of UK consumers. If I were a German politician I would be desperate for the UK to sign the Withdrawal Agreement or cancel Article 50 as that would be great for Germany. It would also mean the UK looking stupid in the eyes of the rest of the world as we dithered and then climbed down over our future, saying we cannot manage to be independent and govern ourselves
Pieces_of_Eight
Member
Sounds like project fear to me.
Joe
Member
- Location
- Carlow Ireland
Thanks, its real pity this debate hasn't encouraged more rational dialogue in the UK, looking in it looks like a push for power rather than any rational discussion. Watched is it newsnight last night and bar a university fella who didn't really focus on a side there wasn't a rational thought put forward on panel or in the audience.
caveman
Member
- Location
- East Sussex.
Joe
Member
- Location
- Carlow Ireland
Sorry yes that's it
- Location
- Bay of Plenty NZ
The EU is more than just a large Free trade area, it is also a union of Nations to work together for the greater good of all members, the wealthier nations contribute more and the disadvantaged nations receive payments to lift their general standard of living ,whilst the administration is far from ideal the general concept has worked well. I believe Ireland was a recipient of EU funds in the past and may still be.
Just under 50% of the UK support the EU with a slightly higher percentage wanting to go it alone, which ever way you look at it the vote was close, so by its very nature this has created division across the UK.
The UK has voted to leave and if Teresa May is to be believed "leave means leave" which is fine, it makes little difference to me. But just because the UK has decided to leave why then try and break the rest of the EU with scurrilous claims regarding the EU followed by suggestions that the rest of the EU is crumbling and many other countries want to leave. We have a lot of visitors from Europe and I have yet to meet one who either wants to leave the EU or thinks the UK is making the right choice by voting to leave.
ollie989898
Member
It would, long term, but remember they would have to leave the Euro and return to their own currency, that would not be straight forward by any means. They would also lose the EU protections and money they have been given. It could be done, provided the UK gave them a cast iron trading relationship; you could readily justify this on a political basis however as being in the interests of all parties concerned. The EU would get their money back, plus the interest and all would be happy.
I do not know how much trade Eire do with the rest of Europe.
ollie989898
Member
It has not 'worked well'- ask the Spanish, Greeks or Italians.
ollie989898
Member
Churchill said a lot of similarly daft things and only got his position because of someone being similarly daft. What he said or did is of utterly no consequence now. Talked a good talk, fortunately people believe him, but in practical matters, jaysus.
wanton dwarf
Member
If it was project fear then it would be plastered all over the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation .. and George Soros would be pumping out the adverts on Facepain.
Instead it's published in a small USA journal.
Just admit it .. the UK media establishment are pants.
Brexit if nothing else has highlighted the farce that is the UK media, the farce of UK politics and the domination of most organisations by people totally unrepresentative of the general public.