It could be argued by the purists that the cross shaft was meant to move even if you had to kick it. There was never any real lateral movement on the headstock. I doubt that the SOP will give a damn one way or the other.
TS 59 Cross shaft
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I get where your coming from and I am in two minds
my view is that if the frame was designed to move across the shaft, does it matter how it is done?
after all SOP allow screw adjustment on the cross shaft was never an option on any plough from ransomes as I can see.
I know I does not look like the original but is match ploughing trying to preserve equipment or the art of turning soil?
I would object to altering legs / frogs / mouldboard's as it is this that engages the ground and has I direct effect on the work done, mouldboards where designed to do a particular job with a particular desired outcome and that is what I believe match ploughing is trying to maintain.
find the best man on the day to achieve the desired outcome, I am sure the best ploughmen of the day modified standard equipment to help achieve the above
the mods done above only make adjusting furrow widths easier and quicker and probably help straighter ploughing due to draft lines being central, you still need to know how to set the plough for width depth discs, skimmers , forward speed, pitch, board push the list goes on.
if you go to the extreme Mr Bonning modified so much that he created his own plough.
the classic class equipment was the then world style of its day before it became obsolete due to newer technology.
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Petetheploughman
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It's as Dave manufactured it!
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as long has he started it before 1976
Ah, the good old "As manufactured chestnut"! As manufactured by who? Do all parts have to manufactured by the company who have their name on the plough? If so. most David Browns are out, they have Ransomes or Rubrey Owen boards.My KV is as manufactured, by me!
Seriously though, no plough will qualify, as with a rule, there can be no exceptions. That being the case, fresh paint, a marker on the land wheel or even a hex bolt replacing a square, would be grounds for disqualification.
Bit of a misnomer the “as manufactured” they all are exactly as they were made - the qualifying condition is “who by” As far as vintage mounted goes then I have mixed feelings. 20 odd years ago as I was struggling with a PM 3 on Epics, to get the plough in the right place for the finish, I though time had come for a change to make life easier. The Classic Class had just been proposed, which was good for some other relatively unknown TCN’s which I had at the time. I had a full size drawing board back then and sat for 4 nights drawing out how to make a sliding headstock. Over the next weekend and a couple of nights I had it made - even looked at a patent of it, along with Design Council and Intellectual property. At a Ploughing Match a month later there was a guy there with a Pierce plough - cast boards similar to a YL. It had a factory made sliding headstock produced in the early 50’s. So there you go. Not a new phenomenon. I have seen guys chuntering a bucketful about sliding headstocks who were quite prepared to use Kverneland skimmers and discs on vintage Ransomes ploughs.
As far as the Classic Class goes then we need to take a different view. Classic was the World Style of the 60’s and along with it all the add ons and extra adjustments. I have run the gauntlet for the last 20 years on that one, at times even called a cheat - or much much worse.
Fergie Ploughman
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I can see both sides..... I just think when you start carving up the frame you’ve gone too far. It’s supposed to be either a vintage or classic class, using equipment from that era. I’m not fussed either way, there’s plenty of folks with fancy ploughs still can’t do a decent job and probably never will...
Bring em on Charlie. The more there is on a plough, the more there is to get your head round. At the end of the day it all comes back to the C-nut on the seat. Some as can - some as do - some as never will!
Its no surprise that most of the lets use standard ploughs brigade, have tried to purchase success, and found that they could not! If you cant fly a glider, buying a chipmunk still wont get you off the ground!
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I think you’ll need to be an aviation enthusiast to understand that one.
Ha, There is a chance of that!Perhaps a better example would be,if you cant draw a picture, the most expensive pencils wont make you an artist.
Fergie Ploughman
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its not the size of your pencil its how you write your name....
And perhaps, where!
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Have you considered making the cross-shaft twist adjuster part of the tractor, not part of the plough? To rotate the shaft about a lower link ball has the same effect but without the slack in a keyway.
Because the relationship between the cross shaft and the link arm varies with width of ploughing and depth it would be very complicated because there are too many inter reactions. The effect of single adjustments on mounted ploughs in particular often have multiple consequences to the setup and I feel that your suggestion is over complicated in this respect. It is worth putting more effort into winding the cross shaft /headstock across from the tractor seat rather than twisting it.
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Is there really a need to be able to move the cross shaft from the seat?
The sliding headstock or cross shaft is positioned to get the correct front furrow width on level land then the screw adjuster used to fine tune it when ploughing across a slope.
I ditched the screw in favour of a lever adjuster from a KV as it is so much easier when ploughing across a slope as you can see exactly where it is and it Is also much quicker. Would never go back to a winder.
The sliding headstock or cross shaft is positioned to get the correct front furrow width on level land then the screw adjuster used to fine tune it when ploughing across a slope.
I ditched the screw in favour of a lever adjuster from a KV as it is so much easier when ploughing across a slope as you can see exactly where it is and it Is also much quicker. Would never go back to a winder.
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Tonym can you adjust on the move when you pull the catch does it want to move to far?
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No problem. Heavy to pull wider but easily pushed narrower.
When using on side slope you only need to do it on the headlands and it is easy
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