Red tower energy?

Karmorat

New Member
Isn’t the first time I’ve heard this scam.

Had a fella in my office last week proclaiming he wanted to push forward gshp installations. Spouting off he wanted people to have this and he wasn’t bothered about making profit. He was doing his work for the greater good. He’d made enough money to retire and frankly making money now wasn’t his concern. Alarm bells rang as soon as I saw his Hollywood million dollar smile and continued eye contact. He asked me to teach him about how construction took place. After this he then began his pitch. This went like so;

I will gather potential clients, complete the heat loss calculations. You go and assess the home and land. I then go and get quotations signed, collect 2 deposits, one on signing and the second when you arrive on site. You supply the equipment and I’ll pay you on completion.

I stopped him there and informed him on the correct process being the company that completes the install and produces the mcs certificate is the company that handles the financial transactions.

Well, needless to say the smiles stopped and conversation turned to him becoming defensive basically ruining his soon to be scamming plan. Every moment I talked to this scum bag I knew his motive being around these toss pot salesman for many years and knowing his angles.

You see, his motive was to front himself with us, collect multiple deposits and disappear, not unlike your situation.

Never pay any money unless

You have signed contract/quotation

You understand that the company taking your money is the company issuing the mcs certificate.
You have received calculations determining the equipment and heat requirements of the work to be done.
And lastly, you’ve contacted 3 references, and looked at work previously done.

Luckily it was only £200, I know people that have handed over £10,000 and don’t have anything from over in Yorkshire. People who have had installs and will not receive RHI due to poor installation or paperwork.

Financial lessons are the hardest to swallow. ASHP isn’t free and you will not get a company installing to claim the RHI over 7 years for no profit. They don’t exist. Only paying customers and people who take out finance.

Your hard earned cash just helped him fuel his car to go scam somebody else.[/QUOT
 

Karmorat

New Member
How actually do you put a stop to these people. Things like trading standard and ofgem just dont seem to care or have any interest. Cant these scammers be prosecuted?
 

akaPABLO01

Member
How actually do you put a stop to these people. Things like trading standard and ofgem just dont seem to care or have any interest. Cant these scammers be prosecuted?
You can’t stop them they are sociopaths.

I just try to keep people sharp and keep informing them on what to look out for on this forum. I clean up a lot of crap out here and Yorkshire but they keep moving on.
 

Karmorat

New Member
This company is gfsd and they have a magnificent . What they arr foing is fraud. The guy hasnt replied to about 20 emails. I saw he was seemingly doing dame thing with red tower several years ago. I assume he will judt wind up his ltd company and ealk off with his stolen cash
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akaPABLO01

Member
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Pyramid scheme for starters, source: website
http://www.gfsd.co.uk/about_us

using the business address threw up this
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=k.....69i57j0l5.6505j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Virtual office for rent

https://yourvirtualofficelondon.co.uk/

this is of interest
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2521825&page=2

they are not registered MCS installers and should not be offering MCS accredited installations
https://www.microgenerationcertification.org/consumers/installer-search/

forgot,
i called them and voicemail, giving contact email only way to contact them
 

akaPABLO01

Member
This company is gfsd and they have a magnificent . What they arr foing is fraud. The guy hasnt replied to about 20 emails. I saw he was seemingly doing dame thing with red tower several years ago. I assume he will judt wind up his ltd company and ealk off with his stolen cash
L
Do you want me to set up an appointment with them?

i've requested contact, what name am i hunting? pm me.
 

rogeriko

Member
Wherever there are government grants there are con men like this. Unfortunately its Buyer Beware. Its just a case of GREED the customer sees an easy buck from a subsidy and will do anything to get it often without thinking twice. I work in the renewables industry and unfortunately I have seen this too often. Dont forget this is what brought down the Irish Government.
 

Karmorat

New Member
This guy does not reply to emails....his excuse was that he was on annual leave. I think lm blocked from putting anything on facebook. He is not MCS registered so cannot get the rhi. He claimed to have a massive contract with Mitsubishi...surprisingly now it's LG. Says he is backed by hedge fund but no details of this, His website says things are being held back due to Assignment of Rights legislation but assures everyone that things are still going ahead..this has been on the website for about 6 months and he is still collecting £199 from other people. From my experience, once you pay this creep he will vanish. You could try Trading Standards or Action Fraud but l actually think these are useless organisations and will do nothing. In reality, without prejudice, l think people like kinning can continue with their seeming scams and will make ££££s before they close their businesses and set up further 'ventures'. Look on company house and see that he is director of loads of companies, some of which have been compulsorily closed.
Kinning refuses to respond to emails as does the other named director and questions put on the website to the airsource heat team also are not responded to.

I think all that can be done is for people to be aware of GFSD and also any companies offering this seemingly wonderful offer as they are probably linked to GFSD.
 

TomDick&Harry

New Member
100% correct Karmorat - DAVID KINNING is not to be trusted.

More on FB from last month - he is still scamming.

'Free Air Source Heating'

GFSD take your money and disappear into the ether no answers to emails or phone calls and certainly no air source heat pump installation. no refund despite promises - we are having to claim from our credit card company who want copies of all correspondence!! not easy when there isn't any
January 22

i am relating my response to GFSD
very poor cudtomer service
the director david kinning was great befote l paid the £199. since then ive sent him.about 20 emails and he only responded one when he promised to phone me back to answer my queries but he never did
david kinning told me that mitsubishi ecodan were best heat pumps available and you had a massive contract with them. My contract is to have a mitsubidhi pump fitted but now you are only advertising LG. what has happened to your massive contract with mitsubishi
l paid my £199 in May and eas told it epuld be fitted in.mid July. im still waiting and l see other people are. l expected to have tje heating in by winter and it doesnt look.possible. ive asked for my money back bit cant get any response from gfsd so have had go resort to writing on here.
October 9, 2018
 

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Karmorat

New Member
I don't think there is anything you can do. Action Fraud will do nothing, Trading Standards ditto, Creeps like kinning can just do what they want, I note he hasn't replied to anything on this Forum which his associates did when there were previous alleged scams discussed on this site. I cant access GFSD on Facebook but if you can it might be useful if anyone you know warns people of kinning and his 'multi national company;....with virtual address in London and perhaps you might direct them to the m asses of companies he has got on Companies House.....perhaps he might even reply to our queries on this forum and explain about the problem with AoR legislation which he claims is holding things up, But as stated, Action etc are useless...just look up Trust Pilot revues!!
 

akaPABLO01

Member
I just don’t understand how people can hand over money without speaking to references?

Surely people contact other clients to get feedback on how their projects were handled, delivery, time keeping and contact throughout the project?

It just doesn’t compute with me. I tell clients to ring at least 3 people from the list of references. Guide them on how the money they give me is insured and program of works. I’m dumbfounded.
 

TomDick&Harry

New Member
Yes - agree.
The laws need updating and people need more protection from the likes of KINNING.
Watch this space though - there maybe something interesting in the pipeline...
 

TomDick&Harry

New Member
I just don’t understand how people can hand over money without speaking to references?

Surely people contact other clients to get feedback on how their projects were handled, delivery, time keeping and contact throughout the project?

It just doesn’t compute with me. I tell clients to ring at least 3 people from the list of references. Guide them on how the money they give me is insured and program of works. I’m dumbfounded.

Again you are 100% correct but sadly lots of people don't... they are honest and the default position is they believe everyone else is as honest as them.

Or check only when it is too late, concerns have set in, and find info through sites like this.

Plus KINNING is very plausible when dealing with him, like a true fraudster he seems totally genuine, has all the answers etc etc different companies, new funding platforms, new deals... waffle waffle waffle

However, hopefully before too long he'll be in for a nice surprise
 

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