Employee time keeping

fgc325j

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very easy to set up an NFC system with plastic door cards or even small embedded NFC tags surgically inserted under your employees' skin

I think everyone should have a unique embedded NFC tag, I'm fed up of having to carry an Oyster card for the tube, a door card to get into the building at work, another card to use the printer, and of course several debit and credit cards

everyone should have one embedded tag and your whole life is encoded onto that one unique tag and it does everything, just like that disc thingy that all the characters in Tron had to carry around with them
"NFC tags surgically inserted!!!" - sorry that is Big Brother. Anyway, with regards to Debit/ Credit cards - i
get a new card from my bank every three years, and each time there is a different sequence of numbers, so
that would mean a tag would need re-inserted, and Banks being Banks you would be charged for a new tag.
The quicker that retina identification is rolled out, the better i say.
 

Bomber_Harris

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Location
London
"NFC tags surgically inserted!!!" - sorry that is Big Brother. Anyway, with regards to Debit/ Credit cards - i
get a new card from my bank every three years, and each time there is a different sequence of numbers, so
that would mean a tag would need re-inserted, and Banks being Banks you would be charged for a new tag.
The quicker that retina identification is rolled out, the better i say.

I refer the Honourable member to the answer that I gave to the House previously
 

Gapples

Member
I worked at dealers for decades, when a time clock was put in all the good will went.
We all started cleaning up 5 minutes before clocking off time ready to clock out on time.
Prior to this it was very relaxed & never an issue, there was no problems with bad time keeping.
Basically I'm not a fan, if you don't have trust ( & it works both ways ) you may as well move on elsewhere.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
I worked at dealers for decades, when a time clock was put in all the good will went.
We all started cleaning up 5 minutes before clocking off time ready to clock out on time.
Prior to this it was very relaxed & never an issue, there was no problems with bad time keeping.
Basically I'm not a fan, if you don't have trust ( & it works both ways ) you may as well move on elsewhere.
Staff clock off when the jobs are done. May be 4 PM may be 10 PM
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
I thought there was a legal requirement to track employees hours, H&S and all that.
Seem to recall that you should not allow them to work over a certain amount of hours for too many weeks. OK if for relatively short periods during harvest. Also employees on salaries the total hours worked must not exceed what a minimum pay rate would equate too.
We used to combine the hour sheets with work sheets to apportion time to crop. The average sheet coming in the office rarely gave us a very good picture though :)
Also you will find it very difficult sacking any one for poor time keeping if you have no records either.
However I fully agree a good man ( or woman ) does not need such things and should be free to come and go
 

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
I thought there was a legal requirement to track employees hours, H&S and all that.
Seem to recall that you should not allow them to work over a certain amount of hours for too many weeks. OK if for relatively short periods during harvest. Also employees on salaries the total hours worked must not exceed what a minimum pay rate would equate too.
We used to combine the hour sheets with work sheets to apportion time to crop. The average sheet coming in the office rarely gave us a very good picture though :)
Also you will find it very difficult sacking any one for poor time keeping if you have no records either.
However I fully agree a good man ( or woman ) does not need such things and should be free to come and go
Working time directive https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-working-hours 48 hours per week averaged over 17 weeks unless you opt out.

On the salary side - at £8.21 (minimum wage 2019/20) 18 hours a day 5 days a week 52 weeks a year is around £38k
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
Working time directive https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-working-hours 48 hours per week averaged over 17 weeks unless you opt out.

On the salary side - at £8.21 (minimum wage 2019/20) 18 hours a day 5 days a week 52 weeks a year is around £38k

I take it farm staff just opt out?
I think the salary rule is different here, you have to make minimum wage during the pay period, fortnightly or monthly. Some dairy farms have been caught out with staff doing big hours at calving and have to top up any peak hours.

Funny old world. I find it amazing that people would be so against clocking in and out as you arrive/leave work.
 

Norfolk Olly

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Mixed Farmer
Location
norfolk
I worked on a farm where there was a clocking in out machine, it worked in 15 minute increments. If you clocked in at 6:46 you started to get paid from 7, if you clocked out at 5:14 you got paid till 5. This led to everyone timing the return to yard to perfection then lingering next to the machine to clock out at the exact moment. So they put a camera over the machine to stop this! The same firm had a tendency to turn up exactly at the end of break, not realising you might of stopped 5 minutes late to get to the end of the field. Trust works both ways!!
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
I worked on a farm where there was a clocking in out machine, it worked in 15 minute increments. If you clocked in at 6:46 you started to get paid from 7, if you clocked out at 5:14 you got paid till 5. This led to everyone timing the return to yard to perfection then lingering next to the machine to clock out at the exact moment. So they put a camera over the machine to stop this! The same firm had a tendency to turn up exactly at the end of break, not realising you might of stopped 5 minutes late to get to the end of the field. Trust works both ways!!

The last one I used had 6 minute increments, so 10 an hour, think it made working the pay out easier. *.58 rounded up to the hour. Never clock out at *.03 always wait until .4. Those point ones as we called them add up:D
 
Working time directive https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-working-hours 48 hours per week averaged over 17 weeks unless you opt out.

On the salary side - at £8.21 (minimum wage 2019/20) 18 hours a day 5 days a week 52 weeks a year is around £38k

Nobody abides by that carp. Typical french socialist BS. Create jobs by limiting how much people can work. Complete waste of ink.
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
If this is needed I think you have the wrong staff, or you are the wrong sort of employer within our industry, it is not about the hours worked it is all about the results achieved within the hours worked!!
There are a few businesses that now allow their staff to work a 4 day week providing they still meet their targets, and somehow the staff find they can fit what was taking 5 days into 4 days.... shows how much more productive people can be when they are focused. I could easily fill an 8 day week with 4 days work when I am not focused...
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
Nobody abides by that carp. Typical french socialist BS. Create jobs by limiting how much people can work. Complete waste of ink.
It does not limit how much people can work as they can choose to opt out - it is intended to limit employers ability to "force" folk to work excessive hours. An employer that forces an employee to opt out or penalises them for doing refusing to opt out can be hit with significant fines. It may be common for the agricultural industries to ignore such rules, but plenty of employers in other industries do take it seriously.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
It does not limit how much people can work as they can choose to opt out - it is intended to limit employers ability to "force" folk to work excessive hours. An employer that forces an employee to opt out or penalises them for doing refusing to opt out can be hit with significant fines. It may be common for the agricultural industries to ignore such rules, but plenty of employers in other industries do take it seriously.

I don't think Truck drivers can opt out can they?.
 

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