Continuous Rye

warksfarmer · Apr 19, 2019

Has anybody grown continuous Rye (combinable type)? It’s doing such a fantastic job on a really bad BG field that I’d like to grow it again.
Any issues with DD another rye in from a root point of view, as in toxins etc?
The straw will be removed by the way.

John Slejpner · Apr 19, 2019

Used to be grown continuously on the sand heath 3 miles away - i'm talking 20-30 years ago.
Same ground is now agri environment scheme grass.

ollie989898 · Apr 20, 2019

Ergot!

Serup · Apr 20, 2019

I do on some light land, too far away to rotate with silage maize. I never had problems with ergot. I use “pollen plus” seed, bale the straw and plough it (i plough everything, so it’s not done here because i fear problems)
I don’t know if i’m just being lucky. Yield is continuously better than first year wheat on that ground.

Chalky · Apr 20, 2019

The answer appears to be 'no'.

We had 3 years of AD rye on a very heavy block of land by the Humber-did well enough, but now in grass leys for the same job-much better option for the soil type. Carries take all fungus, but does not suffer take-all, Cheap to grow-as long as you can avoid ridiculous hybrid seed prices & grow seed to HS.

BenB · Apr 20, 2019

I have a client who I know has 2 fields that have grown continuous combining rye for at least the last 6 years, it seems to be OK. Very light, sandy, acid soil. It does get ploughed however.

warksfarmer · Apr 20, 2019

Chalky said:
The answer appears to be 'no'.

We had 3 years of AD rye on a very heavy block of land by the Humber-did well enough, but now in grass leys for the same job-much better option for the soil type. Carries take all fungus, but does not suffer take-all, Cheap to grow-as long as you can avoid ridiculous hybrid seed prices & grow seed to HS.

It’s not hybrid so it’ll be farm saved. It’s had a fungicide and 70kg N. Nothing else and looks like this today.

phil · Apr 21, 2019

Ergot is more an issue in late green tillers that we’re driven on earlier
Often thought drive tramlines pre harvest if need be
Even though you bale your still left with a lot of chaff and stubble
It will lock up N and hinder germination if incorporated
Keep seed rate decent

warksfarmer · Apr 21, 2019

phil said:
Ergot is more an issue in late green tillers that we’re driven on earlier
Often thought drive tramlines pre harvest if need be
Even though you bale your still left with a lot of chaff and stubble
It will lock up N and hinder germination if incorporated
Keep seed rate decent

Seed rate will be 150kg off the heap in late September so 30kg higher than what the bag originally said. We did 120kg for this crop and it’s very thick except where we ripped up tramlines to move them as we took the moisture out so germination was poor.

Don’t you think the chaff/stubble would be best lightly incorporated (carrier type) though instead of left on the surface forming a mat?

It would be direct drilled with a tine so we would get a sweeping action anyway of brushing it either side of the seed band?

phil · Apr 21, 2019

warksfarmer said:
Seed rate will be 150kg off the heap in late September so 30kg higher than what the bag originally said. We did 120kg for this crop and it’s very thick except where we ripped up tramlines to move them as we took the moisture out so germination was poor.

Don’t you think the chaff/stubble would be best lightly incorporated (carrier type) though instead of left on the surface forming a mat?

It would be direct drilled with a tine so we would get a sweeping action anyway of brushing it either side of the seed band?

After dry summer and straw baled had lock up of N from incorporated straw, high in lignin
I’d actually use something to aid stubble digestion in similar situation
Will follow this rye with CC and SB

warksfarmer · Apr 21, 2019

phil said:
After dry summer and straw baled had lock up of N from incorporated straw, high in lignin
I’d actually use something to aid stubble digestion in similar situation
Will follow this rye with CC and SB

In that case sound like DD is in order and then maybe mix some liquid N with glyphosate straight after drilling with the view the straw will of started to breakdown as the new seeds come through a couple of weeks later?

phil · Apr 21, 2019

warksfarmer said:
In that case sound like DD is in order and then maybe mix some liquid N with glyphosate straight after drilling with the view the straw will of started to breakdown as the new seeds come through a couple of weeks later?

If you’ve moisture it may not be an issue
Was very noticeable last year after Oats and rye particularly chaff rows
Sprinkle of N with quad sorted few rows

Brains · Sep 12, 2021

warksfarmer said:
Has anybody grown continuous Rye (combinable type)? It’s doing such a fantastic job on a really bad BG field that I’d like to grow it again.
Any issues with DD another rye in from a root point of view, as in toxins etc?
The straw will be removed by the way.

Did you ever try a second rye crop direct drilled in very Sandy land? Any issues arise?
cheers

warksfarmer · Sep 12, 2021

Brains said:
Did you ever try a second rye crop direct drilled in very Sandy land? Any issues arise?
cheers

No we didn’t and that field went back into a winter wheat which was the first winter crop (bar the rye) for 8 years. The blackgrass came right back and it yielded very poorly at 3t/acre so rye might be an option again. We kept some seed so you’ve spurred me on now ……..

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