this this and more this
"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..
- Thread starter Kiwi Pete
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- Devon
Agree 100%. Should've made that clearer.
And it needs making clearer to jp
texas pete
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- East Mids
Did you watch Sir David Attenborough's climate change warning documentary last night? We thought it was actually a bit tame, probably the BBC being unwilling to scare the poor horses too much
I liked the big message saying, if nothing else, do these 3 things:
Reasonably balanced, I thought. It wasn't the right place to debate the nuances of CAFO meat vs pasture fed meat.
- Don't fly, period. It's the worst GHG offender by far.
- Eat all the food you buy (& by implication don't buy things you won't use). Avoid food that's been air-freighted at all costs.
- Reduce your meat and dairy consumption.
It is also interesting that Australia is lumped in with the USA and Canada as the worst average environmental impact per head of population, double that of Europe and China. That should be thrown in the face of the Aussie "Vegandals" (lovely phrase) who blame the farmers for everything whilst not opposing the coal industry, aviation etc.
I didn't tbh, I was in two minds, but I don't trust the impartiality of the beggars that produce these kind of things, as alluded to by @Poorbuthappy s post below yours. As soon as I read a report or news item that trots out the blanket "we must reduce red meat consumption" I tend to switch off, as the slant is then obvious. As we know there is a little more to it than that.
I did see a news clip about the Orangutan fighting with the machine that was destroying it's home (that's how the news story I read, told it anyway) that is one of the saddest things you can see IMHO.
I suppose China's advantage in an environmental impact comparison is that it has such a huge population to dilute the pollution it creates, with the hundreds of millions of rural peasants contributing very little to the total.
It said reduce your meat and dairy consumption yes .. on the subject chap said the problem is cattle and sheep ... then there was a long pause.... and the guy pipes up " but it's not traditional farming that is the problem"Did you watch Sir David Attenborough's climate change warning documentary last night? We thought it was actually a bit tame, probably the BBC being unwilling to scare the poor horses too much
I liked the big message saying, if nothing else, do these 3 things:
Reasonably balanced, I thought. It wasn't the right place to debate the nuances of CAFO meat vs pasture fed meat.
- Don't fly, period. It's the worst GHG offender by far.
- Eat all the food you buy (& by implication don't buy things you won't use). Avoid food that's been air-freighted at all costs.
- Reduce your meat and dairy consumption.
It is also interesting that Australia is lumped in with the USA and Canada as the worst average environmental impact per head of population, double that of Europe and China. That should be thrown in the face of the Aussie "Vegandals" (lovely phrase) who blame the farmers for everything whilst not opposing the coal industry, aviation etc.
I'll take from that that a timely bit of corn wont hurt ..
. Seriously tho it wasn't an in depth look at any of the parts it was a general look at the whole thing again... wouldnt want the audience to get bored would they
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- Quebec, Canada
I had trouble moving mine with a quad. Chickens didn’t move forward/ backward quickly enough and got trapped under the edges. I prefer to move slowly by hand, checking constantly for caught birds or having an’eggmobile’ completely off the ground, in my case a hay wagon with a chicken house on top.
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- Devon
Yes I can see that. Daughter does it with me atm so not an issue. Though they seem to be getting the hang of it.
Couldn't you move it when they are in the house bit?
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- Quebec, Canada
Trouble is, that’s when you’re in your own ‘house bit’
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- Devon
It has been suggested.
In summer that might have to be pretty early though!
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Would a row of plastic bottles/ length of pipe insulation or something in front of the rear wall help when moving them?
Like a little bumper to hurry them up, instead of being run over?
Like a little bumper to hurry them up, instead of being run over?
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- Devon
Salatin puts a wire across in his broiler tractors. Holds it together and helps encourage them along.
Trouble is, that’s when you’re in your own ‘house bit’
this is where my solar powered self moving hen house/run will come in to its own complete with timer so it moves in the night
this will be available at about the same time as my self moving cattle pen for grazing that moves itself when you want, all control from your phone of Corse
watch this space
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
That would work, thread a pool noodle on it? Drink cans with a hole in each end?
Just something to bump them up the tailfeathers, stubborn bloody things when they want to be.
I found almost 3 dozen eggs in a hidey-hole today, so I threw them into a thistle patch and the sheep mobbed them, flattened the thistles, and then ate the thistles
it's amazing how simply you can do stuff if you don't care if it works or no
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Even constantly slowly creeping forward, if you had slow enough gears and a big drum of rope you could design something that would keep them slowly inching along.
That's really the ultimate grazing, where they just keep loping forwards and never look behind, like 'a good soldier'
Dairy farms here have travelling irrigators to get rid of the shitty water, and they just work off a spinning sprinkler on top with a cam that keeps a little pawl clicking the winch drum around, and moving it forward
The mind boggles if you really want, speaking of your mobile cattle pen I just remembered those fences on wheels, that look a bit like the reel on a header, and you just roll it to move it. That's what you need, one in front and one behind, for on your way home
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- Owaka, New Zealand
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
how about the electric fence wire being a pipe with some sort of drinkers swinging from itJust need a magic tumblewheel water supply
Didn't Watch it nor will i, the destruction of soil is the biggest offender by far, anything that suggests the reduction of grazing animals on the land is plain wrong and will greatly worsen the problems we are facingDid you watch Sir David Attenborough's climate change warning documentary last night? We thought it was actually a bit tame, probably the BBC being unwilling to scare the poor horses too much
I liked the big message saying, if nothing else, do these 3 things:
Reasonably balanced, I thought. It wasn't the right place to debate the nuances of CAFO meat vs pasture fed meat.
- Don't fly, period. It's the worst GHG offender by far.
- Eat all the food you buy (& by implication don't buy things you won't use). Avoid food that's been air-freighted at all costs.
- Reduce your meat and dairy consumption.
It is also interesting that Australia is lumped in with the USA and Canada as the worst average environmental impact per head of population, double that of Europe and China. That should be thrown in the face of the Aussie "Vegandals" (lovely phrase) who blame the farmers for everything whilst not opposing the coal industry, aviation etc.
- Location
- West Yorkshire
Cows are out. Moved into this, this morning
Leaving this behind does it look about right?
Waiting to get my fert delivered and on to avoid cold turkey once we get some rain forecast.
Will stick them round back of farm tonight with a bale off silage that needs using up
Leaving this behind does it look about right?
Waiting to get my fert delivered and on to avoid cold turkey once we get some rain forecast.
Will stick them round back of farm tonight with a bale off silage that needs using up