Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
£16/acre fluoxypr and wetter.
Dock sprays
- Thread starter Cows 'n grass
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This is what we have done to hopefully clear out a multitude of weeds on 2 difficult fields.
We are direct drilling Tyfon with our old Moore Unidrill and then we might have another go with roundup after the Tyfon has been removed. Then grass reseed with Unidrill. Never tried it before so an adventure for sure.
Shame there's no horses. You could blame that like many on here do.
Seems docks are more 'Nature' related than anything else following reading numerous posts of similar issues....
- Location
- East Sussex
Dockstar pro is 2l per hectare. I think many will split that into two applications though.
- Location
- Ceredigion
It say 4 litres
- Location
- East Sussex
You’re on New Zealand info there and not only that it’s the old doxstar and not doxstar pro that we have now...... from the corteva (was Dow) website.......Bottom right......
Edit: you were actually looking at doCKstar which is an asulam product. Wondered why it could be sprayed on red clover
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- Location
- Ceredigion
First quote £41-50 Dockstar
Boohoo
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- Location
- Newtownabbey
Waste of time, the roundup won't kill them. I've just been digging docks out of a field that I spraying with roundup, they didn't even look sick.
Homesy
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- Location
- North West Devon
No.
It is just that you can tell your neighbours that it's Chicory not Docks, they won't be able to tell the difference from a distance.
ollie989898
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The fluroxypyr in doxstar will hurt dandelion. I do not know which is more effective on dandelion specifically, I suspect thrust (2,4D and dicamba) or depitox (2,4D) would both be pretty good on it.
NuFarm have a very good website which lists product labels.
Thrust (2,4D and dicamba) is here: https://cdn.nufarm.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/2018/07/20074954/Thrust_labelinfo.pdf
Agritox (MCPA) is here: https://cdn.nufarm.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/2018/07/20074648/Agritox_labelinfo.pdf
Depitox (2,4D) is here: https://cdn.nufarm.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/2018/07/20074645/Depitox_labelinfo.pdf
Dow's very own Starane (fluroxypyr) is here: http://uk.dowagro.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Starane2-Label-5Lt-leaf-1408.pdf
All of the above contain a list of label weeds, the maximum permissible dose in the appropriate crop and the recommended minimum dose relative to the weeds you are aiming to tackle.
Although you may not be able to buy these products you will probably be able to buy the actives from another supplier, obviously the rates may be different but the above will be a guide as to what is effective on what.
As a general rule, you don't want to do anything to weeds or grassland 2 weeks before or after spraying them and they want to be big enough to spray and healthy looking. Make sure you use at least 200L of water/ha when spraying as coverage is important.
All grassland herbicides are affected by growing conditions and will not work in cool or widely fluctuating day/night temperatures. With grassland spraying you will likely be dealing with mature or established weeds from root mass- a very different proposition to controlling weeds in an arable situation where they spray seedling weeds and with multiple combinations of products.
And for the really technically keen here is a very detailed technical guide you can print off and read on the loo:
https://cdn.nufarm.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/2018/12/10161508/Nufarm-Phenoxy-Guide-A4.pdf
The best way to clean up land long term is to rotate it and the strategic use of glyphosate and cultivations. All new leys need to be sprayed clean- if you get the grass established there will be no empty space for the usual suspects to take up residence and land will remain weed free for many years.
- Location
- Ceredigion
StaraneHi Load is good half the price of Dockstar , around £8 acre , have you used it at all or anyone else ?
ollie989898
Member
Starane hi load at 0.3L is going to be the cheap option. Try it and see how you get on. Mix it with a bit of thrust?
Its a very good product, probably the best fluroxypyr you can buy. Check the maximum dose on grassland. Im sure its more than 0.3L but cant remember. Mix with half rate doxstar for a bang up job.
- Location
- East Sussex
I’m going to complicate things now.
Starane at 333g/l fluroxypyr will only give 100g of active at 0.3 litres per hectare. Doxstar pro gives 300g of both fluroxypyr and triclopyr at full 2litre rate.
I think you’ll find it cheaper to chuck some thistlex with the starane and you’ll get triclopyr and clopyralid for a hot mix but it does depend on prices you’ve got.
Don’t know if it’s legal though
Starane at 333g/l fluroxypyr will only give 100g of active at 0.3 litres per hectare. Doxstar pro gives 300g of both fluroxypyr and triclopyr at full 2litre rate.
I think you’ll find it cheaper to chuck some thistlex with the starane and you’ll get triclopyr and clopyralid for a hot mix but it does depend on prices you’ve got.
Don’t know if it’s legal though
ollie989898
Member
I’m going to complicate things now.
Starane at 333g/l fluroxypyr will only give 100g of active at 0.3 litres per hectare. Doxstar pro gives 300g of both fluroxypyr and triclopyr at full 2litre rate.
I think you’ll find it cheaper to chuck some thistlex with the starane and you’ll get triclopyr and clopyralid for a hot mix but it does depend on prices you’ve got.
Don’t know if it’s legal though
Doxstar is murder expensive. Use it at half rate then add 2L of a 200g generic fluroxypyr and you get equal or better firepower for less money. Use an adjuvant, I know I keep saying it but you really do need all the help you can get.
ThistleX is also murder expensive. Dow seem to have a monopoly on clopyralid and triclopyr production or similar.
I am near certain starane hi load has a higher maximum dose on grass but I cannot remember why I think that.
- Location
- East Sussex
ollie989898
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Balls to it then, on with 2L of 200g generic... giving 400g of grief for the docks.
I still think mixing it with thrust would work better. You would have a pretty good mix then that would hurt nettles and thistles and buttercup. Depends how well you can buy thrust though.
Headland also used to make something called saxon which was a pretty serious dose of dicamba and 2,4D. Dont know if you can still get it though.
Basically the old phenoxy stuff was dirt cheap. Mention triclopyr or clopyralid and it got expensive very fast.
- Location
- Ceredigion
How much Starane HI load to replace this per Hectare
ollie989898
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Derek, that is a generic 200g/litre product and the maximum dose on grassland is 2L per hectare giving a total of 400g- way more than that given by full rate doxstar.
Starane hi load is a more concentrated product as milkloss stated but has a lower maximum label rate. I was sure it was 0.6L but apparently it is less.
The hi load is a good product and you will get more acres out of a can too. I am convinced it has a hotter formulation as wellas I used to use it a lot in cereals and grass and maize. It made the maize sprays very perky to say the least.
Starane hi load is a more concentrated product as milkloss stated but has a lower maximum label rate. I was sure it was 0.6L but apparently it is less.
The hi load is a good product and you will get more acres out of a can too. I am convinced it has a hotter formulation as wellas I used to use it a lot in cereals and grass and maize. It made the maize sprays very perky to say the least.
- Location
- East Sussex
Been offered hurler, which is a 200gram product. £65 per 5litre.
Maybe try farm market place?
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- doxstar glyphosate maize