Two Days to Shoot Pigeons!

Grassman

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Location
Derbyshire
Organic farming works. I will never argue that it does not.

Serious grassland is worth £150/acre a year around here. Not ideal but better than a poke in the eye and you don't need a Lexion to obtain it. It would be managed and kept fertile for that money and probably have a lower overall environmental impact.
£150 acre? Be interesting to see figures as to how anyone can make money at that.
If there was suddenly a large amount of grassland available the price would drop to £35 acre!
 
I think you missed the gist of my comment , pest control is one thing but raising pheasants to shoot for fun is another matter . There’s absolutely no justification for pheasant shooting , it’s serves no purpose whatsoever .

Don't do it then?

Why try to impose your beliefs & opinions onto the people who enjoy doing it?

This GL issue is more of the wedge that has been nibbled away at for the last 20 years. If the various organisations don't get their teams together and start cooperating in the same direction, all of hunting, shooting and fishing will be gone in the next 20 years.

[This probably needs moving, as a drift off topic...]
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
Just did a quick google - found a press release from the solicitors of Packam et al. explaining the technicality that has caused this idiocy!.It basically says that Natural England should have carried out any assessment before issuing the licenses as to whether any other form of deterrent was possible (scaring etc..). And not entrusted this to the farmer... apparently this is unlawful under the current EU law..

https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/2019/March-2019/First-legal-case-for-Wild-Justice-challenges-Natur
That bunch of twunts are experts in chasing technicalities for the sake of it.
 

tinsheet

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Somerset
£150 acre? Be interesting to see figures as to how anyone can make money at that.
If there was suddenly a large amount of grassland available the price would drop to £35 acre!
Certainly doesn't make that money in this end of Somerset!
But it's just rough old hill ground here.!(n)
Yes I hear of stupid money rates down in the Vale though,
Those boys must know what their doing?:whistle:.:censored:
 

Lincoln75

Member
I think you missed the gist of my comment , pest control is one thing but raising pheasants to shoot for fun is another matter . There’s absolutely no justification for pheasant shooting , it’s serves no purpose whatsoever .

If you dont like it keep away from it , game meat is probably the most ethically raised meat you can buy , I`d wager you are a vegan or buy your chicken from the supermarket.,
 

tinsheet

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Somerset
I think you missed the gist of my comment , pest control is one thing but raising pheasants to shoot for fun is another matter . There’s absolutely no justification for pheasant shooting , it’s serves no purpose whatsoever .
I disagree, we shoot every Saturday during the season, never put a bird down! Fed up of pheasants everywhere thanks to the big shoots here in the hills, we justify it as it's vermin control, pheasants are an invasive species that shouldn't be here.
Happily stop tomorrow if it's banned!(y)
Least we eat what we kill.
The local keepers love us :ROFLMAO:.
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
I don't see livestock production ceasing any time soon. I can foresee a time when there is very little cereal or OSR grown in the UK, however. I am not particularly convinced the UK climate is ideal for it.
Sitting where I am right now Ollie, facing a third ultra dry and prolonged Spring, I'm not sure this side of Britain is viable for grassland either
 

JCfarmer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
warks
I am going to have to vote for the Brexit Party, just absolutely fed up up with 'snowflake politics'.
Rural crime going through the roof, fly tipping and then they ban vermin bird control, as if we haven't got enough to deal with. Never see a policeman, only 50% of crime investigated. No deterant etc etc
I did hear of some fly tippers somewhere in the country who got caught, believe they got a good hiding and the van tipped over and crushed by the folk lift. Apologies off topic and just having a rant.
 
I think you missed the gist of my comment , pest control is one thing but raising pheasants to shoot for fun is another matter . There’s absolutely no justification for pheasant shooting , it’s serves no purpose whatsoever .

Perhaps you might like to reply to the question I put out generally yesterday, although specifically aimed at @gone up the hill, how do you justify fishing with the sole intention of releasing the fish after you have exhausted it to the point where you can land it? I repeat whatI said yesterday - I am not on the side of stopping people from doing so, although I could not do it myself. I eat what I set out to catch.
 
I might be being a bit thick but what will that petition actually do?

Same as all other petitions - nothing. However, as I have just replied on another thread about this particular petition, I signed with a false name and email address, just to see if I could do so. That is why petitions are generally complied with by those who give consideration to them.

I was tempted to try it on the one that acquired over 6m signatures recently but I did not want to add to the numbers.
 

Grassman

Member
Location
Derbyshire
Don't do it then?

Why try to impose your beliefs & opinions onto the people who enjoy doing it?

This GL issue is more of the wedge that has been nibbled away at for the last 20 years. If the various organisations don't get their teams together and start cooperating in the same direction, all of hunting, shooting and fishing will be gone in the next 20 years.

[This probably needs moving, as a drift off topic...]
Rearing and shooting birds for eating is good. And if some enjoy the shooting fair enough. At least the birds live wild in their life.
But just shooting for fun with no use of the meat is wrong in my opinion.
 

Cropper

Member
Location
N. Glos
I don't see livestock production ceasing any time soon. I can foresee a time when there is very little cereal or OSR grown in the UK, however. I am not particularly convinced the UK climate is ideal for it.


It can’t be ideal if world record wheat yields can be grown here can it? It certainly won’t be ideal when we are prevented from controlling any pest, weed or fungus!
 

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