Come on, own up....

Will you vote for the Brexit Party

  • Yes

    Votes: 94 58.4%
  • No

    Votes: 53 32.9%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 6 3.7%
  • Won't be voting

    Votes: 8 5.0%

  • Total voters
    161

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
Youth don’t know or have the experience of preEU that older people do and have.

That's true, and as one who falls into that category I'm grateful that we haven't been at war with our neighbours recently, that there is a plentiful supply of effective medicines and international collaboration projects have given us things like nuclear medicine, GPS systems and more, but it's also largely irrelevant too, because of those things. The world has changed so much since 1970, politically, economically and socially - because of many factors including but not exclusively the EU and its precursors. I do not want to go back to 1990, far less 1970, and I suspect that you don't either.
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
Most of my planning in the uk (and my sons since I moved) was about black grass control. Spring barley being increased for example, sacking the sumo Trio :(. Are you seriously suggesting that the way you manage a farm is more influenced by the CAP than geography?:scratchhead:
Just dipping into this thread - hi, an interesting comment, and I note Czechmate has picked up at his post 196 on your comment. Could you explain? I am intrigued. Best wishes, Oh, and a joy to get a farming type issue in the Brexit section of the board!!
Both have a serious part to play.
The CAP bit is by far the more worrying one.

Spring Barley doesn’t feature here.
The Sumo Trio was dropped for geographic Blackgrass worsening reasons.
Winter Barley was, and still is used as a Blackgrass deterrent crop. But now much less, primarily because the market for Barley has lowered due to the amount we export to the E.U. The gap between Wheat and Barley has widened to £30+.

However, because our Blackgrass burden has reduced since we abandoned the Trio, we can now grow more wheat and need to grow less Barley.

Our plans for post Brexit, or more accurately post BPS, are for a more radical changes to our rotation. But I’m not going to give the game away on these yet.

I will say though that these will be geographically based and hopefully completely non-influenced by the CAP.
 

Agrivator

Member
That's true, and as one who falls into that category I'm grateful that we haven't been at war with our neighbours recently, that there is a plentiful supply of effective medicines and international collaboration projects have given us things like nuclear medicine, GPS systems and more, but it's also largely irrelevant too, because of those things. The world has changed so much since 1970, politically, economically and socially - because of many factors including but not exclusively the EU and its precursors. I do not want to go back to 1990, far less 1970, and I suspect that you don't either.

Are you assuming we couldn't have had an interchange of ideas with EU countries and benefited from European developments and inventions if we hadn't have been members.

Haven't we also shared knowledge and inventions with rest of the world, without being members of a political union.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Both have a serious part to play.
The CAP bit is by far the more worrying one.

Spring Barley doesn’t feature here.
The Sumo Trio was dropped for geographic Blackgrass worsening reasons.
Winter Barley was, and still is used as a Blackgrass deterrent crop. But now much less, primarily because the market for Barley has lowered due to the amount we export to the E.U. The gap between Wheat and Barley has widened to £30+.

However, because our Blackgrass burden has reduced since we abandoned the Trio, we can now grow more wheat and need to grow less Barley.

Our plans for post Brexit, or more accurately post BPS, are for a more radical changes to our rotation. But I’m not going to give the game away on these yet.

I will say though that these will be geographically based and hopefully completely non-influenced by the CAP.


We can agree about the Trio and for myself, personally, it was a big disappointment as I thought it was a great tool:notworthy:

But here, my wife asks "why are there so many cattle in this region?" (She is not happy with the cattle exploitation farming).
My reply is always "well, I hat else are you supposed to do with this ground/climate?". Nothing to do with subs
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Youth don’t know or have the experience of preEU that older people do and have.

Lucky them. The good thing for me as a youngster was the the MMB still existed. But I remember plenty of hill farmers were in poverty or supplementing their incomes with labouring jobs on construction sites etc. And it was no better in industry.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
Are you assuming we couldn't have had an interchange of ideas with EU countries and benefited from European developments and inventions if we hadn't have been members.

Haven't we also shared knowledge and inventions with rest of the world, without being members of a political union.

Of course we could, but we tend not to, and much of the collaborative effort is multi-year, top cost projects that need a bit of a framework to work within. Going forward, after Brexit we won't, and that is a big loss. As for sharing knowledge and inventions, yes of course we do - but that's different from sharing the development of them, the costs and the benefits. Much of what we do with the rest of our EU partners would be too expensive for any of the Euro countries to take on single handed, but by working together they are possible.
 

Agrivator

Member
Of course we could, but we tend not to, and much of the collaborative effort is multi-year, top cost projects that need a bit of a framework to work within. Going forward, after Brexit we won't, and that is a big loss. As for sharing knowledge and inventions, yes of course we do - but that's different from sharing the development of them, the costs and the benefits. Much of what we do with the rest of our EU partners would be too expensive for any of the Euro countries to take on single handed, but by working together they are possible.

Obviously the joint Anglo French Concord development never happened.
 
Yes. Because in 1973 we joined the EU, and regulations stifled free enterprise.

Would those be the regulations which are considered guidelines in other EU countries but needed to be gold plated by UK unelected beaurocrats.

Maybe the regulations which allowed Fishing Quota to be traded between countries but ONLY activated in UK hence aggravating the decline of fishing UK.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Would those be the regulations which are considered guidelines in other EU countries but needed to be gold plated by UK unelected beaurocrats.

Maybe the regulations which allowed Fishing Quota to be traded between countries but ONLY activated in UK hence aggravating the decline of fishing UK.
In the same vein, the CAP is a good fit in europe, but not in the feudal uk.
Using a contractor for your entire farming operation in europe will lead to loss of subsidy.
Here it is destroying the countryside.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 79 42.2%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 65 34.8%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 16.0%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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