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I think the fairy was just as a wetter spreader mainly to break the surf tension of the water.
Glyphosate ..... adjuvant ??
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Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Sprayed grass off 10 days ago with rostate i think they call it, hasnt killed very well hopeess, strongest mix as well.
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- Lincs / Cambs border
We only ever use Round Up Flex here , never at high rates / ha . I’ve never been disappointed with the job it has done . No messing with adjuvants and concoctions trying to get cheap stuff to work better , I don’t think at the end of the day the saving is that great .
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- S E Glos
This, but as said could be more important this year
Breakthru
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Ammon Sulphate would acidify the water.
Very low rainfall and depleted reservoirs and boreholes means we are getting a higher concentration of contaminants.
Problem seems to be with those whose additives/wetters contained no water acidifier/conditioner
7800
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- cambridgeshire
Liquid ammonium sulphate is the cheapest and seems to work well
A lot of these are just this anyway
And the likes of exchange and c gold and the like are a rip off
A lot of these are just this anyway
And the likes of exchange and c gold and the like are a rip off
7800
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- cambridgeshire
Do you make or sell those ?
7800
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A lot of these branded adjuvants are just ammonium sulphate with a wetter and the price tripled
Which would be the best wetter to mix with AS ? Crop oil or non ionic wetter ?
This would be by far the cheapest and best option
Which would be the best wetter to mix with AS ? Crop oil or non ionic wetter ?
This would be by far the cheapest and best option
AS just ties up the calcium cations in your water by competitive salting, getting to them before they get to the glyphosate. No other adjuvant properties at all but great for not locking up a third of the glyphosate. If you have the means to store bulk ammonium sulphate then yes, it would be cheaper than buying Synchro/Firebrand/Atak 500 g/litre ready made. I've no idea what else goes into these branded AS solutions to boost efficacy so would defer to a more knowledgeable expert on this.
Oil vs wetter depends on what you're trying to hit. Waxy plants like big osr volunteers would benefit from some oil. Smaller targets like 1 leaf blackgrass would benefit from wetter producing smaller droplets more likely to coat more of the fine leaves.
7800
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- cambridgeshire
Yes firebrand perfect and cheap
Add to that a bit of crop oil or non ionic and there’s your bargain glyphosate adjuvant
Add to that a bit of crop oil or non ionic and there’s your bargain glyphosate adjuvant
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- the brecks norfolk
What about using both wetter and oil for example full rate activator 90 at 0.1% spray volume with half rate cropspray 11e at 0.62%
That would surely give the best of both worlds and not cost a fortune.
That would surely give the best of both worlds and not cost a fortune.
mikep
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Just did that to start and it worked so stayed with it. Mind you now that the tallow amine has gone I've upped the rate of glyphosate by 20% as I found that 2.5 litres was a bit hit and miss.
How did you get on with Li700, draw any conclusions?
ollie989898
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Rosate is pants. I wouldnt bother with it. Sooner pay 2 quid a can more for something decent.
Ive recommended or witnessed the use of a myriad of glyphosate products on everything from a full blown crop of wheat to permenant grass with spearthistles 4 feet high.
Best to stick with recognised brands.
De Sangosse make a fine range of adjuvants. Use Li700 or Validate. Job done. No guessing or messing.
Wilberforce
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- North Shropshire
Best adjuvant for Glyphosate? Another litre of Glyphosate?
ollie989898
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Usually use Exchange @250 ml HA. This spring we used Validate @250 ml HA and the difference between the two is amazing . From now on Validate is my choice . De Songosse better look after me at cereals now.
What have I been saying for years now?
Validate is around £10.40/litre. At 0.25 l/ha that's £2.60/ha or more than another litre of glyphosate. Great for cutting through waxy cuticles on plants like cranesbill or willowherb. It would help knocking down anything hardened by age or weather. I'll try some next autumn against Kyleo on big osr volunteers.
X Change is around £3.80/litre. In hard water that's 0.25 l/ha or £0.95/ha
X Change is around £3.80/litre. In hard water that's 0.25 l/ha or £0.95/ha
ollie989898
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Im sure you can buy validate better than the progreen website. You can buy it in 5L cans for a start.
True it is not cheap as you say . Price ain't everything its the job it does is what matters as well as costs . It really helps get the glyphosate into waxy leaves as well as lowering ph of water . Has crossed my mind I could probably cut glyphosate a little bit to help reduce cost a bit say around 1/2 lt ha less on situations where you would be using higher rates but being mindful on the lower rates as not to cut back too much .
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