Isuzu 1.8?

Beowulf · Jun 15, 2019

Any modern engine will comfortably give 200k miles of relatively trouble-free service, provided they are maintained properly.

You can almost certainly expect to replace the turbo-compounding assembly at some point in the latter half of those 200k miles, and the injectors too if a compression ignition engine. I don't think that's unreasonable though.

neilo · Jun 15, 2019

Nithsdale Farmer said:
These pickups will not last that long.

When did you last see a working puckup on a 99-04 registration plate?? There will be the odd one, but most are already scrapped

Still running a 54 plate L200 here. Tempting fate now obviously

, but it’s never broken down and I can’t see that a shiny new truck (of whatever make) would do the same job any better. In more comfort no doubt, but not any better.
The repairs it has had done have all been fairly simple spannering jobs, as opposed to main dealership with a laptop, and the parts have been reasonable (again, rarely from a main dealership).

windymiller · Jun 16, 2019

Nithsdale Farmer said:
These pickups will not last that long.

When did you last see a working puckup on a 99-04 registration plate?? There will be the odd one, but most are already scrapped

Still got a y reg hilux here that gets abused every day, over 200000 on the clock, back is rotting to bits, but nothing a bit of tin sheet, pop rivets and some gaffe tape can't fix for an mot, chassis is like new on it mind.

Nithsdale · Jun 16, 2019

neilo said:
Still running a 54 plate L200 here. Tempting fate now obviously, but it’s never broken down and I can’t see that a shiny new truck (of whatever make) would do the same job any better. In more comfort no doubt, but not any better.
The repairs it has had done have all been fairly simple spannering jobs, as opposed to main dealership with a laptop, and the parts have been reasonable (again, rarely from a main dealership).

windymiller said:
Still got a y reg hilux here that gets abused every day, over 200000 on the clock, back is rotting to bits, but nothing a bit of tin sheet, pop rivets and some gaffe tape can't fix for an mot, chassis is like new on it mind.

There will always be examples, like you two, but the vast majority of pickups of that age are long gone. We all know the old Hilux were built well - as were that model L200, but the new ones are flimsy in comparison.

Good on ya's though. I'm not one for shiny new motors - we changed our old Defender when it was 24 years old! Bought one that was 8 at the time, and hope to take it I to its 20's too... but like pickups, I doubt it'll last that long.

@neilo it's more surprising yours hasn't needed a new engine than anything else. They were notoriously bad... so much so the Mitsubishi dealers keeps complete engines in stock

Deutzdx3 · Jun 16, 2019

reverand said:
I never read the small print
I don’t like the idea of a 1.9 personally ,alternatively you move away to navara or Ford

If you’re towing a lot don’t bother with the navara. The engine is out of an x-trails. Made larger capacity with out duplex timing chain etc. Prone to blowing head gaskets if under constant Load towing.

neilo · Jun 16, 2019

Nithsdale Farmer said:
@neilo it's more surprising yours hasn't needed a new engine than anything else. They were notoriously bad... so much so the Mitsubishi dealers keeps complete engines in stock

So I understand. I’m obviously a very sympathetic driver.

I would never, ever put it under undue strain by towing an overloaded 14’ trailer (on private roads of course).

Tomr10 · Jun 16, 2019

We have the d max swapped from a defender. On road it's fine I would say the d max could do with half a ton in the back off road

Yale · Jun 16, 2019

Deutzdx3 said:
If you’re towing a lot don’t bother with the navara. The engine is out of an x-trails. Made larger capacity with out duplex timing chain etc. Prone to blowing head gaskets if under constant Load towing.

Really.

@Cowabunga

Deutzdx3 · Jun 16, 2019

They are a Renault engine in them. Also, the new ones as in 18 plate on have a strengthening plate under the chassis just in front of the rear wheels, when they rated them for 3500kg they were bending. Not strong enough in that area. Better now though. Westyorkshire engine services did a bit on them.

Timbo · Jun 16, 2019

Deutzdx3 said:
If you’re towing a lot don’t bother with the navara. The engine is out of an x-trails. Made larger capacity with out duplex timing chain etc. Prone to blowing head gaskets if under constant Load towing.

Several 2.3s already going pop. Usually timing chain stretch or breakage. Too much torsional vibration from too much torque at low rpms and inadequate simplex timing chain yet again ( a la yd25's ) and they're an absolute pig to work on with timing gear at the back/ transverse design made to fit longitudinally.

GeorgeK · Jun 16, 2019

I'm sure when manufacturers sit down to design a new model, top of the agenda is 'what can we start making out of plastic instead of metal? Oil pump? Sump? OK sounds good, what about 2nd gear too?'

Timbo · Jun 16, 2019

GeorgeK said:
I'm sure when manufacturers sit down to design a new model, top of the agenda is 'what can we start making out of plastic instead of metal? Oil pump? Sump? OK sounds good, what about 2nd gear too?'

You're behind the times old boy - Peugeout and Mercedes already have plastic ( polyamide resin ) sumps on their 1.2 turbo 3cyl and merc in some truck / bus engines

upnortheast · Jun 16, 2019

neilo said:
I can’t see that a shiny new truck (of whatever make) would do the same job any better.

Lot depends on what you want your pick up to do If you are just running round the parish it`s different job to doing a lot of distance work.
Last 12 months ours has been to Somerset, Shropshire, about 6 times to Ayr & numerous times to Borderway, all with the trailer on.
Much happier with a newish one for that

H200GT · Jun 16, 2019

Timbo said:
Several 2.3s already going pop. Usually timing chain stretch or breakage. Too much torsional vibration from too much torque at low rpms and inadequate simplex timing chain yet again ( a la yd25's ) and they're an absolute pig to work on with timing gear at the back/ transverse design made to fit longitudinally.

Not aware of any that have failed myself, but have “heard on the internet” of the odd one having issues. Given they have been about since 2016, there should be a few high milers about by now, and as far as I am aware the engine is not generally known to be prone to failure.

20k on my Navara now (8 months old). Faultless to date, but wouldn’t expect anything anything else really.

Deutzdx3 · Jun 16, 2019

GeorgeK said:
I'm sure when manufacturers sit down to design a new model, top of the agenda is 'what can we start making out of plastic instead of metal? Oil pump? Sump? OK sounds good, what about 2nd gear too?'

It seems now every thing has a built in life span now. Doesn’t matter if it’s a fridge, sofa or car. When I asked vicon why they don’t make fert spreads out or more stainless their reply was we want to sell new machines. It seems there is an accepted time frame for things to last now.

Deutzdx3 · Jun 16, 2019

H200GT said:
Not aware of any that have failed myself, but have “heard on the internet” of the odd one having issues. Given they have been about since 2016, there should be a few high milers about by now, and as far as I am aware the engine is not generally known to be prone to failure.

20k on my Navara now (8 months old). Faultless to date, but wouldn’t expect anything anything else really.

I know of 2 local to me. One engine was replaced under warranty. The other was backed to the dealer as it was only 7 months old. he went and bought a ranger.

GeorgeK · Jun 16, 2019

VW Golfs definitely have plastic sumps, earlier new model Ford Rangers used plastic oil pumps to great effect. Every day of reliable operation after the warranty has expired causes physical pain to manufacturers these days

neilo · Jun 16, 2019

upnortheast said:
Lot depends on what you want your pick up to do If you are just running round the parish it`s different job to doing a lot of distance work.
Last 12 months ours has been to Somerset, Shropshire, about 6 times to Ayr & numerous times to Borderway, all with the trailer on.
Much happier with a newish one for that

True. I’ve not yet doubted the reliability of mine to take me moving sheep up to 3 hours away & back, although I would obviously appreciate a few more comforts if I was doing it more regularly. I know taking the mud terrain tyres would help on that score, but they’ll tow a triaxle across a field in all but the wettest conditions.
See and hear of plenty of new trucks with more issues tbh, so not entirely convinced spending towards £30k on one without any scratches and a more sophisticated engine would improve reliability vastly.

Obviously there will come a time when the old girl has to be retired to off road work, but as it is, my running costs are a fraction of the depreciation on shiny for shiny’s Sake.

And no, I don’t run a new tractor either.

neilo · Jun 16, 2019

GeorgeK said:
VW Golfs definitely have plastic sumps, earlier new model Ford Rangers used plastic oil pumps to great effect. Every day of reliable operation after the warranty has expired causes physical pain to manufacturers these days

To be fair, there’s plastic and plastic. Some are far stronger than thin tin plate sumps.

Cowabunga · Jun 16, 2019

Yale said:
Really.

@Cowabunga

While it doesn't have a duplex timing chain, very few engines do these days. The engine is and has been used for a good while in Renault vans, so saying it is an upsized X-trail engine is being a bit disingenuous. It is just as true to say that the X-Trail engine is a downsized van engine. As we know, vans are expected to cover very high mileages reliably.
I would agree that they are not the easiest to work on. The clearance between the engine back and the bulkhead is very little, but then, no pickup engine is easy to work on in-situ these days.

I would still be far more concerned with the chassis longevity if buying one for average annual mileage. For high mileage owners the engine reliability becomes more important and frankly I have seen no credible evidence to suggest that Renault Diesel engines or this one in particular is any less reliable than average

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