Farming Connect to promote Welsh language.

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
In reply to second class comment -good example at royal Welsh show a few years ago my English mother and English wife sat for a breather as mother was eighty and heart complaint on the chairs of a certain Welsh organisation my wife noticed a lot of commotion with people and a nice chap came over and said these chairs are reserved for Welsh members only !!as my father was one of founding members and my wife was also a member I beg to dither as us being a second class citizen ,I have since never been to that show ! Could run through more but you get the general idea
I'm disgusted that anyone would have a problem with an 80 year old having a rest. Unfortunately possession of the Welsh language is not a guarantee that someone isn't an arseh*le - point in case WAG... :angelic:
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
We chose the other way, to make sure the Welsh was in there properly from the start. Welsh medium primary and Welsh stream secondary - but with A Levels in English if they choose the sciences or math's, see below for more in re' this...


I can't see a disadvantage in speaking, none at all. But there are definite disadvantages in being educated in it in some subjects. I know of two, and have heard of other cases of medical students coming from Welsh science A Levels, straight A's throughout, and entering university to find themselves really struggling because the courses were entirely in English and the vocab' needed just didn't come to hand. Both were struggling by the end of their first year, one made it and graduated, the other dropped out in - I think - year three.

I started a medical degree and realised it wasn't for me at all, but can tell you that the volume of work required at the start is phenomenal. Having to cope with it and an entirely new vocab' would have been extremely hard. That's why our kids will have the option of doing their A Levels in English, there isn't a university in Wales - or the rest of the world - that teaches engineering, the sciences, nursing, medicine etc. in Welsh and we don't want them disadvantaged if that's the route they choose.


It's not universally acknowledged, there is me and him that disagree with it for a start. (y)
yes, you may learn some terminology in Welsh doing science A levels, but the science is a language in it's self, and understanding is not diminished by the terms being in another language.
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Make your fing mind up,are you proud of this country or not?
Let’s hope your children do well in uni and settle in england and keep their prejudices over there.
You give Welshmen a bad name.

You are no less Welsh than me..........just get over the fact that speaking our language doesn’t make you ‘better’.

Remember my area was the seat of Welsh kings and Owain Glyndwr.:p
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
As an aside, South Pembrokeshire has been English speaking since 1100 when Normans populated it with Flemish settlers. There seems to be an insidious attempt to Welsh-ify the area in recent years. Witness the ridiculous attempts at trying to give Cresselly a Welsh name, and a bilingual sign for Narberth, by dropping off the N to create Arberth......
This IMO is just as bad as English folk populating Welsh speaking areas and expecting everyone to speak English.
Tin hat on.
Son just said, yes, it may have been English speaking since 1100, but it is still part of Wales where the national language is Welsh
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Look for 'The Landsker Line' in Wikipedia or similar.

There is actually nothing at all unusual about having Welsh place names for places even outside Wales, let alone within Wales [for Pete's sake!] London is Llundain, and Manchester is and always has been Manceinion, for instance. Caergrawnt for Cambridge is another of probably hundreds.
You need to get out more.
An example in English is Copenhagen (or in Danish Kobenhavn)
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
None of those schemes seem to have any Welsh people involved, much less Welsh speakers. They seem to bus English people into the region for these 'environmental' schemes to show us how to run the countryside we've run for hundreds of years without their interference..
I used to teach in a college about 30 years ago, and I remember some environmental students telling me they were on a field trip in Ireland, and saw some type of bird, stopped the minibus in the middle of the road, all jumped out to look at it, one asked, "should we move the bus, it is really inconveniencing everyone, us being parked here" the answer and general consensus from the rest was "this is about wildlife and the environment, far more important than inconveniencing a few local people". I think that attitude and arrogance is what a lot of environmentalists tends to have.
 

ford4000

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
north Wales
The Welsh language is the most divisive thing in Wales.

As someone who understands quite a bit but doesn’t speak a great deal it is shocking how arrogant and rude a lot of Welsh speakers are.

Attending an agricultural college nearby many years ago it confirmed my idea of the arrogance when Welsh speaking lecturers and staff would rattle on in Welsh to the students who spoke it leaving out the ones who could not understand.

My wife speaks Welsh and we have made a conscious decision to educate our three children through the English medium as it gives them a better chance in further education.

I want my children to be global citizens not petty minded ignorant souls who have hardly travelled beyond the Welsh border.

Wow! I'm shocked Yale!
Do you include myself and my family in your last paragraph? :cry:
 

rhifsaith

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
Tregaron
You give Welshmen a bad name.

You are no less Welsh than me..........just get over the fact that speaking our language doesn’t make you ‘better’.

Remember my area was the seat of Welsh kings and Owain Glyndwr.:p
talking to yourself in those first lines?

well Owain glyndwr was a proud welshman, seems things have deteriorated a fair bit since his time up there.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Does the active promotion of minority languages really add anything to the smooth running of the world at large?
Don't we have enough reasons for confusion and division without creating additional language barriers, duplication of resources and effort?

Don't get me wrong, if people want to speak Welsh, or don't want to speak English, then I have no problem at all with it, but if Welsh is that popular or such a huge asset then why does it need grant money to move it forward?

I have a toolbox full of metric spanners. I am not clamouring for the reintroduction of British Standard Whitworth, even though it's part of our heritage. I"ll go along with what makes life easier for everybody.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Son just said, yes, it may have been English speaking since 1100, but it is still part of Wales where the national language is Welsh
But not everywhere. Like I say, 1000 years of culture, with it's own subtle dialect, castles, Pele towers, and history. Is this no less important than Welsh culture in other parts of Wales ?
 

fgc325j

Member
I used to teach in a college about 30 years ago, and I remember some environmental students telling me they were on a field trip in Ireland, and saw some type of bird, stopped the minibus in the middle of the road, all jumped out to look at it, one asked, "should we move the bus, it is really inconveniencing everyone, us being parked here" the answer and general consensus from the rest was "this is about wildlife and the environment, far more important than inconveniencing a few local people". I think that attitude and arrogance is what a lot of environmentalists tends to have.
I think that attitude and arrogance is what a lot of environmentalists tends to have.

I am afraid that you will find this attitude i.e my job, "way of thinking", puts me/ one above
everything/anyone else, including common sense, in a lot of jobs/professions . And i do not
exclude farmer's from that statement
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Wow! I'm shocked Yale!
Do you include myself and my family in your last paragraph? :cry:
Not at all,whenever I’ve been in your company you’ve always been a perfect gent.

I think by really exaggerating this issue it just shows how it can be described as a form of racism within our country.......but it’s OK to do it if you are fluent in Welsh because some people think it makes them superior,(you not included).

Jeez,some people take themselves a little too seriously and need to get out more.......
 

Juggler

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Does the active promotion of minority languages really add anything to the smooth running of the world at large?
Don't we have enough reasons for confusion and division without creating additional language barriers, duplication of resources and effort?

Don't get me wrong, if people want to speak Welsh, or don't want to speak English, then I have no problem at all with it, but if Welsh is that popular or such a huge asset then why does it need grant money to move it forward?

I have a toolbox full of metric spanners. I am not clamouring for the reintroduction of British Standard Whitworth, even though it's part of our heritage. I"ll go along with what makes life easier for everybody.

I'm afraid that this view held by many English people is exactly why grant funding is needed to help keep the Welsh language in it's current vibrant position in many parts of wales and to increase its use in the parts where it may not be as vibrant.
You see, it's easy for you to ask quite flippantly, why do we need this minority language, isn't it a barrier, isn't it divisive.... when in fact it has absolutely nothing to do with your way of life, the environment you raise your children in, the culture you teach them, the relationship you have with neighbours and friends, your business.... when it's a part of what makes you..You.

If it was as engrained in you as it is in me and my children and hopefully in my grandchildren, along with thousands of other Welsh speaking families who go about their daily lives speaking their mother tongue, just like you do when you speak English, then maybe you wouldn't be as quick to dismiss it.

I see it as an asset to Wales and to the people who choose to speak it, I live in an area that see's a high level of tourism, the majority of English people who engage with me about the language love to hear it, some try and learn it or at least a few words, a minority want to silence it, that minority used to anger me as a young man, now it just saddens me.
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
talking to yourself in those first lines?

well Owain glyndwr was a proud welshman, seems things have deteriorated a fair bit since his time up there.

You don’t have to speak Welsh to be Welshman.

What have you ever done for your Welsh community?

I’ve shaved my head for charity to help buy the community a defibrillator,sit on our local community council and have currently a £1000 cheque in my hand which I’m donating to a new electric car charging point to be installed at our community pub.

This is amongst all the other things which I do for our Welsh community.

Do you just speak Welsh or do you actually get out there and do things for your Welsh community.........or just cash your BPS cheque once a year?
 

Juggler

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Not at all,whenever I’ve been in your company you’ve always been a perfect gent.

I think by really exaggerating this issue it just shows how it can be described as a form of racism within our country.......but it’s OK to do it if you are fluent in Welsh because some people think it makes them superior,(you not included).

Jeez,some people take themselves a little too seriously and need to get out more.......
And you aren't taking yourself too seriously expecting Welsh speakers to wind their neck in just because you don't speak it? Maybe you need to get out more.
And the racism card is just laughable but not surprising, racism against the Welsh is unfortunately all too common...

Jeez...some people just can't see beyond their own little bubble.
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
And you aren't taking yourself too seriously expecting Welsh speakers to wind their neck in just because you don't speak it? Maybe you need to get out more.
And the racism card is just laughable but not surprising, racism against the Welsh is unfortunately all too common...

Jeez...some people just can't see beyond their own little bubble.
So you’ve never been in a situation where you’ve used Welsh to talk without someone nearby understanding?

I did it only last week......it’s quite a useful tool.....:whistle:
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
So you’ve never been in a situation where you’ve used Welsh to talk without someone nearby understanding?

I did it only last week......it’s quite a useful tool.....:whistle:
I, for one, assume that everyone understands it. If you did the above, the chances are very high that you were understood well enough and taken for the plonker that you illustrate yourself as being. Maybe you are not, but if you did that then you would be one of a tiny minority of plonkers who do so and moreover, in the very group that you have complained about.
 

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