livestock 1
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Yes probably they would give our land to someone that can’t get out of bed. I’ve always voted Conservative not sure why now
Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker
- Thread starter TFF
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livestock 1
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1% own the land we aren’t very well represented
The land is what scares me about the labour lot plus they are never looked after the farmers. Plus I am in a cull area I would guarantee they would stop immediately to.
Farmer1001
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The threat is real, to deny the obvious is simply delusional. I'd be presenting the same arguments if it was the "remain" camp pushing the EU to sign similar FT deals.
Looking to buy or sell? Sheep or cattle?Any prices from yesterday, do I stay at home or do I go to the mart
Whatever tonnage they send over will be used to keep our prices down.It probably won’t be that much but will be brought in to avoid having to pay more for ours
Why isn’t she in China or the like finding out their needs? Because the government doesn’t want us getting too much for our lambs,beef as that will go against their cheap food policy
Farmer1001
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You are completely missing the point, NZ have not failed to fill the quota, the demand was not there so no need to do so. But rest assured they would if we wanted it. I was in NZ in January, dairy expansion has slowed, sheep numbers increasing again due to demand and the ability to do so due to land improvements and increased output. But in reality, there is not a huge immediate threat from the NZ FT deal - you wait till you see Truss landing in South America. I spent end of Jan and all of Feb in SA, I'll give you a couple of facts. SA made up of 18 countries, the EU could fit inside Brazil alone, we have 10 million cattle in the U.K. Brazil have 200 million. End of the day, Brit Ag has costs we can't cut and a home market others want, we can't compete at home and we can't compete abroad when it comes to price, so we shout all we like about the value of ??, but we live in a world where consumers shout about the cost and governments shout about votes. I have no interest in the pro leave/remain argument, my interest before, now and after is about trade for our produce. We are going into the unknown believing we can compete with the most savvy countries on the planet, when in reality we can't even get the job right at home. Sorry massively off thread.
can anyone do lamb in quantity cheaper in to our market than NZ ?
- Location
- Bedfordshire
So are imports more of a threat than falling consumption?
I'm not really interested in figures and how large South America is, if people want to eat cheap meat then let them import it, but let us export to their higher markets.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
So will the French and Germans stop eating lamb in November? We seem to be happy to export but frightened to death by imports.
Farmer1001
Member
The affect of falling consumption is compounded by increased supply from cheaper sources - lower prices. You seem to believe Brit Ag only trade in higher value markets or perhaps believe there is a market out there crying out to be supplied with higher priced British produce?
Don't dimsss the SA scale, like it or not you are affected by it and will be more so in the future if UK Ag is going to be a Free Trader playing in the "global market" wether your interested or not.
livestock 1
Member
Near the same. Good idea to import it though because it keeps our lamb prices low
livestock 1
Member
+40/46%
Sorry, sell, sheep ?
Sold sheep at Carlisle yesterday, nothing special tbh good fit lambs alright but leaner or plainer types looked to be getting a hammering. Ours were 42kg and averaged £81
Did you go
Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
Did you see any cattle sold?
Couldn’t have said it better myself, in my opinion should anyone be interested is that in the short term we are completely screwed by coming out of the EU both for beef and lamb. But in the medium to long term I feel sheep will fair better than beef. Globally there is a growing market for sheep meat and a reducing flock, beef on the other hand has a shrinking market and a growing herd. Cattle globally are low cost and easy to manage it seems to be the opposite in this country although we could feasibly go back to fattening of grass. Sheep need more day to day management but have less fixed costs and you can increase or reduce flock size reasonably easily compared to cattle. Time will tell but I think it will be a time to tighten ones belt and reduce costs where ever possible and live in hope of a brighter future.