Fencing, the good and the bad...

tepapa · Sep 16, 2019

Danllan said:
The bad is a bucket of ~~sh!t~~ staples from Wynnstay. They are, without any doubt whatsoever, the worst staples / nails I have ever come across, and that includes the awful Chinese ones that most of Africa imports. These Wynnstay ones are all shaped as open 'V's rather than as a 'U'. The result is that, if used straight from the bucket, they never 'bite' into the post on the first hit, bouncing away and requiring them to be found... if they are placed on the top of the post and ends tapped closer to one-another they become marginally less irritating, just. But they are utter sh!te, don't buy unless the batch you get are proper 'U's. They're the bad.

You wait, those staples are that good they'll even be rusting within 5 years which will soon transfer to the netting.
Leave them with the lid off and in the rain, you'll soon think twice to using them again.

ploughman1963 · Sep 17, 2019

Goggles said:
Those stockade staple guns are the bees knees. But you need to be doing a lot to justify the price tag. Tornado do good 40mm Barbed staples by the bucket.

I know its a big outlay initially (although cheaper alternatives are coming available) but the saving in labour time is tremendous and very soon pays for the investment

Boohoo · Sep 17, 2019

When you're using the Draper wire tensioner you have to pick your point along the barb wire carefully. Pick a place where the strands are beside each other and it'll cut the wire, pick a place where the strands are one on top of the other with the jaws putting equal pressure on each strand and you shouldn't cut the wire.

SimonThePieman · Sep 17, 2019

vantage said:
How do you allow the fence to move under the staple, as I assume that they are driven hard against the wire?

Stupid question, maybe:

Why do you want the wire to move?

sawdust · Sep 17, 2019

SimonThePieman said:
Stupid question, maybe:

Why do you want the wire to move?

Tensioning the wire, first row I got fencing as a boy was for chapping the steeple right home...

Danllan · Sep 17, 2019

Boohoo said:
When you're using the Draper wire tensioner you have to pick your point along the barb wire carefully. Pick a place where the strands are beside each other and it'll cut the wire, pick a place where the strands are one on top of the other with the jaws putting equal pressure on each strand and you shouldn't cut the wire.

The Strainrite one doesn't require that much time and bother, and it still doesn't shear the wire.

SimonThePieman said:
Stupid question, maybe:

Why do you want the wire to move?

If the wire can 'give' a bit, it won't break when stressed a bit at any one point, e.g. by a cow leaning on it - or a hand-break being forgotten.

ollie989898 · Sep 17, 2019

How much are the staple guns to buy? I presume you can adjust how much whack they give to avoid staples going too deep?

vantage · Sep 17, 2019

SimonThePieman said:
Stupid question, maybe:

Why do you want the wire to move?

Transfer the stress to the straining posts if it is hit, more chance of it staying up.

Grassman · Sep 17, 2019

Danllan said:
I've been doing one of my least favourite jobs, fencing on an uneven slope, over soft ground and across running water. My usual fencing contractor ran a mile rather than taking the jobs - b*stard - so I've had to do it myself, two stretches done, three to go...

The bad is a bucket of ~~sh!t~~ staples from Wynnstay. They are, without any doubt whatsoever, the worst staples / nails I have ever come across, and that includes the awful Chinese ones that most of Africa imports. These Wynnstay ones are all shaped as open 'V's rather than as a 'U'. The result is that, if used straight from the bucket, they never 'bite' into the post on the first hit, bouncing away and requiring them to be found... if they are placed on the top of the post and ends tapped closer to one-another they become marginally less irritating, just. But they are utter sh!te, don't buy unless the batch you get are proper 'U's. They're the bad.

Put them in a farm sale. Will probably make more than new

Goggles · Sep 17, 2019

SimonThePieman said:
Stupid question, maybe:

Why do you want the wire to move?

Also allows expansion and contraction of the wire, due to temperature changes, to be evened out along the whole stretch of fence.

Goggles · Sep 17, 2019

ploughman1963 said:
I know its a big outlay initially (although cheaper alternatives are coming available) but the saving in labour time is tremendous and very soon pays for the investment

We have a stockade gun, but powered by genny and air compressor. We bought it quite a few years ago before the cordless was available. Got to wear this one out before we get a cordless replacement.

Danllan · Sep 17, 2019

Grassman said:
Put them in a farm sale. Will probably make more than new

Hmm, maybe even more still if I painted them first.

Danllan · Sep 19, 2019

Yesterday I bought a bucket of decent staples from CCF, they are made by Hampton and have a proper 'U' bend, are zinced properly and are 40mm long, unlike the crap ones from Wynnstay. A pleasure to use after the other rubbish. The pic' below shows the difference:

JD-Kid · Sep 19, 2019

most staples here 50mm barbed for posts 40 mm used on battens

David. · Sep 19, 2019

Can you not get proper presser point staples any more, miserable business trying to push those oblique cut things into a post before hammering.

Bury the Trash · Sep 19, 2019

ollie989898 said:
How much are the staple guns to buy? I presume you can adjust how much whack they give to avoid staples going too deep?

Can get a Kmr one for a bit less than 400

Danllan · Sep 19, 2019

David. said:
Can you not get proper presser point staples any more, miserable business trying to push those oblique cut things into a post before hammering.

I'm ignorant of those, but the Hampton ones are fine.

Bury the Trash · Sep 19, 2019

anyone use them really , really expensive hammers? I wonder, do they make a difference on a long day?

polk_farmer · Sep 20, 2019

Bury the Trash said:
anyone use them really , really expensive hammers? I wonder, do they make a difference on a long day?

Estwing? I’ve got one, the softer grip is nicer on your hand after a days stapling compared to a £2 hammer, that’s about it really. I take a bench grinder to a hammer to flatten the face off for stapling and that makes more difference to the job

Landrover · Sep 20, 2019

Bury the Trash said:
anyone use them really , really expensive hammers? I wonder, do they make a difference on a long day?

I do ! A stiletto titanium one ! Brought it back from the usa, paid just over 100 dollars for it, a fantastic thing ! I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if I was using one everyday ! Used to use estwings but they just feel like you're swinging a iron bar after using a titanium hammer ! https://www.tftools.co.uk/ sell Martinez hammers which are the dogs dangles, not cheap but brilliant ! It's like buying a draper impact gun or a Milwaukee one they both do the same job but the Milwaukee is so much better !

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