Supreme Court hearing live

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
1. You haven't hurt my feelings.
2. I did wonder over precedent and precedence, but picked the wrong one.Lesson learnt.
3. Was not mocking grammer education. Merely pulling mateys chain.
4. I sort of understood precedent hierarchy already.
5. I was more trying to understand that precedent must have a "pidigree" and wondered on the "Adam and Eve" of such.
6. Was wondering if the historic prorogue events quoted by Boris's solicitor yesterday afternoon had been challenged or not and do they set precedent one way or the other.........guessing those events will show the way?
Previous prorogations haven't been in similar circumstances, so it is hard to extrapolate from them to the present situation.

If the majority of MPs in a Parliament (with the encouragement of an out-of-control speaker) are intent on overruling the solemn will of the people, despite previously promising to honour their wishes, it is the responsibility of the Executive (Boris and his Cabinet) to do everything in its power to wrest back control from a dishonest faction and to ensure the maintenance of democracy.

That is the argument I would put before the Supreme Court if I had the opportunity so to do.
I agree, and it has been / is being put, but a little more obliquely than that. The more clearly it is 'political' the more the Judiciary will want to distance themselves from it; the more 'constitutional' it can be made to seem, the less able they are to steer clear.

How long is it the court proceedings.
The arguments will probably finish tomorrow, there is a remote chance they will straight away say that it's not a matter for them to decide upon. More probably they'll spread the glad tidings on Friday or Monday, but they could reserve judgement for longer if they felt it necessary.

It's impossible to read what they're thinking, and although it is possible there will be unanimity, I doubt it. The trouble is, from either side, there are very good arguments to support both appeals - it will be down to how each of the Supremes feels on the matter, which is a fair argument for a written constitution.

For myself, if I were on that Bench, I'd bow out and tell Parliament to get its act together in as strongly a worded way as I could. But then, I'd also have called the PM and the likes of Hilary Benn and Monsieur Grieve for a grilling and a judicial kick up the arse for each of them.
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
Johm Major trying to stop brexit today , the ultimate hypocracy


Whether you agree with me or disagree with me; like me or loathe me, don't bind my hands when I am negotiating on behalf of the British nation."
Mr Major said he was often urged by critics to rule the whole single currency issue in, or out, entirely. "It would be splendidly decisive, they say - so splendidly decisive you would send the British Prime Minister naked into that conference chamber with nothing to negotiate, with nothing to wring the best deal out of our partners.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Johm Major trying to stop brexit today , the ultimate hypocracy


Whether you agree with me or disagree with me; like me or loathe me, don't bind my hands when I am negotiating on behalf of the British nation."
Mr Major said he was often urged by critics to rule the whole single currency issue in, or out, entirely. "It would be splendidly decisive, they say - so splendidly decisive you would send the British Prime Minister naked into that conference chamber with nothing to negotiate, with nothing to wring the best deal out of our partners.
He was one of the main causes of the Brexit vote to leave but would never admit it but it is a fact
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
The judges say it's not about Brexit so they can only rule one way . If they rule against Boris then it makes it about Brexit .
Paroroguing has been done for political reasons before .
When farmers abused the law and used red diesel in land rovers many years ago they could not be prosecuted in court . The court had no powers to do so , only when the government changed the law were the courts able to act
 

caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
I suppose we'll find out next week, just what a collection of muppets there are in Westminster, if it comes to pass that Bercow recalls Parliament and the first order of the day will be to go into recess to accommodate party conferences.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
What is all this costing the country?



But...

 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford


But...

Think he was referring to the cost of the court cases
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
What ever the outcome will it become a pressidant for future cases then?
As breaking new territory in realms of history?
Well, clearly, it will be the law unless / until Parliament legislates otherwise. Which it may or may not do; but it would be very hypocritical of those MPs claiming sovereignty to overrule the Government, not to legislate to take this hold over them away from the Supreme Court.
 

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