Are you ready for Brexit

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I hope to God the deal gets through
If not it could be Labour and a Referendum with 12 more months of this .
Equivalent to having a dead sheep rotting on your dorstep for months on end
Put the damn thing to bed
I will be at Westminster on Saturday pleading with them outside to get it done

I agree. It seems to represent an orderly transition, while we get on and negotiate the real terms of future trading. I do fully expect a Labour led coalition to be driving those negotiations though, unfortunately, if we manage to avoid the total shambles of a hung parliament. :(

From what the politicians are saying in interviews though, it appears Labour are looking to use the whip to try to block it, as they sniff their chance of being in power, so it's all out to stuff the Tories. SNP and Lib Dems will fight it in order to stop Brexit at any cost. DUP just need telling to shut up and sit down. The Brexit Party will campaign against it (they can't vote of course, as they have no MPs ;)) because if it goes through, Brexit is finally happening and they lose their voice. Let's just hope there are enough labour MPs with the balls to defy Jezza and go with it.
 

JCMaloney

Member
Location
LE9 2JG
There will be a lot of Labour MP`s looking over their shoulders in areas that voted to leave and they won`t be fancying an Election shortly after voting against Boris`s deal.
They will then look at their own front bench and think what`s the worse they will do if I back it?
Then their are rumours that the Tories that lost the whip may get it back if they toe the line.

Its going to the wire & its not over yet..............
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Unity government to remove the PM?

And who exactly will they decide would be the caretaker PM? Corbyn?

The way I see it gentlemen we need a general election and we will see everyone's cards for what they are then.
come on ollie, it would take them 3 years to decide on the word 'unity' !!!
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I hope to God the deal gets through
If not it could be Labour and a Referendum with 12 more months of this .
Equivalent to having a dead sheep rotting on your dorstep for months on end
Put the damn thing to bed
I will be at Westminster on Saturday pleading with them outside to get it done

This deal probably only postpones a no deal exit for another 14 months apart from the NI parts which will be binding into the future. So it is just more of the same for the next year while they pretend to negotiate a free trade deal. However, in the meantime the EU get all the money owed to them. :scratchhead:
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
This deal probably only postpones a no deal exit for another 14 months apart from the NI parts which will be binding into the future. So it is just more of the same for the next year while they pretend to negotiate a free trade deal. However, in the meantime the EU get all the money owed to them. :scratchhead:

All any 'deal' was ever going to do was to allow trading to continue during a transition period (which may last up to 2022), while future trading arrangements are sorted out. There was always going to be continued wrangling going on, and plenty more time for the advocates of 'no deal' to try to throw our industry under the (red) bus. If this deal, or any other, goes through, it is only the start. We have several years of these 'ranting' threads to look forward to yet, and several years of insults being hurled by a vocal few.

The £39bn was always going to be paid, we are already committed to that. To renege on that would have buggered up any negotiations on trade deals not just with the EU, but also all the other countries that are going to be our saviour in the brave new world.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
All any 'deal' was ever going to do was to allow trading to continue during a transition period (which may last up to 2022), while future trading arrangements are sorted out. There was always going to be continued wrangling going on, and plenty more time for the advocates of 'no deal' to try to throw our industry under the (red) bus. If this deal, or any other, goes through, it is only the start. We have several years of these 'ranting' threads to look forward to yet, and several years of insults being hurled by a vocal few.

The £39bn was always going to be paid, we are already committed to that. To renege on that would have buggered up any negotiations on trade deals not just with the EU, but also all the other countries that are going to be our saviour in the brave new world.

There is no prospect of a deal being done in the next 14 months. Canada took over 6 years for a comparatively simple goods only deal. What the UK is about to embark on is 10 time more complex, so it will almost certainly end up as a no deal in a years time.
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
The EU want a deal as much as we do
I think the EU want our money, if germany goes into recession, who else has got the money to bail the basketcountries out ? If they lose our mkt, and as we will be able to trade all over the world, they may well do, as Corbyn, for all his many faults, is right in 1 thing, workers rights in the non EU world are not the same as here, thus they can produce the same goods cheaper than EU. Then that would hasten the collapse of the single market, or another recession in EU.
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
I think the EU want our money, if germany goes into recession, who else has got the money to bail the basketcountries out ? If they lose our mkt, and as we will be able to trade all over the world, they may well do, as Corbyn, for all his many faults, is right in 1 thing, workers rights in the non EU world are not the same as here, thus they can produce the same goods cheaper than EU. Then that would hasten the collapse of the single market, or another recession in EU.
Germany have run a budget surplus for years.They are the only country in the EU that could go it alone,if they wanted or really had to.Unlike us,and we will be finding out soon enough.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
I think the EU want our money, if germany goes into recession, who else has got the money to bail the basketcountries out ? If they lose our mkt, and as we will be able to trade all over the world, they may well do, as Corbyn, for all his many faults, is right in 1 thing, workers rights in the non EU world are not the same as here, thus they can produce the same goods cheaper than EU. Then that would hasten the collapse of the single market, or another recession in EU.

Can UK businesses not trade all over the world at the moment when the UK is a full member state of the EU? Now makes sense why everyone wants to leave the restrictive EU. Thank you for telling me. Cheers.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
There is no prospect of a deal being done in the next 14 months. Canada took over 6 years for a comparatively simple goods only deal. What the UK is about to embark on is 10 time more complex, so it will almost certainly end up as a no deal in a years time.

No, it’s going to be the easiest deal in history remember.?

It’ll be all signed off by tea time.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
It i was a brexiter,i would be wondering why Barnier,Junker,Tusk etc,are so happy.Cracking jokes and even partly applauding Johnson.
Because they have wanted a deal as no deal is bad for the EU . But they could not get past the Irish isue , they are sick to death of Brexit just like we are
Its like the plague of death hanging over us , anyone who does not back this deal now should be trully ashamed
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
There is no prospect of a deal being done in the next 14 months. Canada took over 6 years for a comparatively simple goods only deal. What the UK is about to embark on is 10 time more complex, so it will almost certainly end up as a no deal in a years time.
The difference is we have a free trade deal now so it only needs rubber stamping, remember they sell a lot more to us so its in their interest to get it sorted, and before you say they sell less than proportionately to us, that would only be an issue if it worked on a countrywide basis but its not, its indivdual companies that will lose out such as Merc/BWM and French farmers, we dont sell much food to the French but they sell lots to us and tariffs will hit them hard, they will be keen to do a deal, of course the politicians might get in the way
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Germany have run a budget surplus for years.They are the only country in the EU that could go it alone,if they wanted or really had to.Unlike us,and we will be finding out soon enough.

Just look at how the UK national debt has doubled in the last 10 years, now standing at £2.2 trillion. But factoring in all liabilities including state and public sector pensions, the real national debt is closer to £4.8 trillion, some £78,000 for every person in the UK. (National debt clock) :inpain:
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
The difference is we have a free trade deal now so it only needs rubber stamping, remember they sell a lot more to us so its in their interest to get it sorted, and before you say they sell less than proportionately to us, that would only be an issue if it worked on a countrywide basis but its not, its indivdual companies that will lose out such as Merc/BWM and French farmers, we dont sell much food to the French but they sell lots to us and tariffs will hit them hard, they will be keen to do a deal, of course the politicians might get in the way
30% of our lamb goes to France...........or it used to.
 

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