Student Survey

JCMaloney said:

I think you might lose a lot of folk around this question.......
View attachment 842731

No option for Carnivore (meat)
Psychology.......... finding excuses for poor behaviour for centuries.

Click to expand...

Are you seriously a carnivore? I don’t know anybody who is a carnivore.... apart from my dog?!

Sandpit Farm said:

Are you seriously a carnivore? I don’t know anybody who is a carnivore.... apart from my dog?!

Click to expand...

Ha I wrote this before I read that you were working on a trigger.

I did the survey as I try to do for anyone but it was hard. It kept going from positive to negative and irritatingly made me have to think really hard.

I hadn’t realised the OP is an activist. Being an animal rights activist isn’t a bad thing if it is done in the right way. It puts pressure on animal welfare which is no bad thing IMO BUT the annoying spin and slant that is put on ‘scientific’ studies and the militant nature of some groups is annoying and plain wrong. I sincerely hope this is a genuine (I wonder what farmers think about these issues) kind of survey.

I found the questions rather confusing and there's a few double negatives in there. I also found the questions to be heavily loaded. Has this survey received ethics approval?

Paige said:

Apologies that the study has been confusing. The measures I am using are evaluated measures which I have not made (so I have not altered them). Yes this study has had ethical approval and I assure you the questions are not loaded. If you have any more queries please email me: [email protected]

Click to expand...

Hi Paige, how are you getting on with my challenge ? (not trying to catch you out, fellow greenie here ).

Paige is reading for a degree. She is being unfailingly polite. She is your customer for the next 50+ years.
I'm not sure that patronizing, sarcastic and dismissive comments are warranted.

delilah said:

Paige is reading for a degree. She is being unfailingly polite. She is your customer for the next 50+ years.
I'm not sure that patronizing, sarcastic and dismissive comments are warranted.

Click to expand...

In the nicest possible way, i don't see what she's going be buying from my farm operations in the next 50 years (well, unless she gives up her 'special' diet)
And I have the gravest reservations that she's going to be trying hard to tell the world what wicked violent people my customers and I are.
(she may already be doing so from what others are claiming to have found....and it would be easy to deny outright those allegations)
The politeness is simply a means to an end...she can go and pat herself on the back and say how fairly and even handed she's been.

It's nice that you can be so open minded Delilah, but where i'm sitting, the most logical way for me to farm my land, and the culture that has grown around it, is under constant barrage from a tiny fixated minority of dreamers, who say the vilest hateful things.
(a better dissertation would be to ask why so many vegans become fixated and evangelising)
And it looks rather like you're siding with one of them.

Sandpit Farm said:

Are you seriously a carnivore? I don’t know anybody who is a carnivore.... apart from my dog?!

Click to expand...

I'm led to believe that dogs are happy to be omnivores....whereas cats guts are set for a 100% carnivore diet.

delilah said:

Paige is reading for a degree. She is being unfailingly polite. She is your customer for the next 50+ years.
I'm not sure that patronizing, sarcastic and dismissive comments are warranted.

Click to expand...

Not if she avoids meat, eggs or dairy!

ollie989898 said:

Not if she avoids meat, eggs or dairy!

Click to expand...

She is a dream customer for a vegetable farmer and market garden operation

We should be inclusive as uk farming is more than livestock or arable farming

In the next 50 years more 'traditional farmers' may well be diversifying into veg & pulses if vegetarian diets grow in popularity

Paige said:

Hi,

I did have a little think and I think maybe... raw? Apologies for whatever the category is, when I do my analysis I will be making separate categories using what people provided in the “other” box

Click to expand...

Ha, no I hadn't thought of raw.

As I understand it, your dissertation is, broadly speaking, exploring the interface between our attitudes towards/ perceptions of each other, and dietary choice. You have chosen this subject because you have strong environmental concerns yourself and wanted to explore a topic of interest. Guessing that's the gist of it.

To explore this subject fully it needs to be recognized that dietary decisions, based on ethical and environmental concern, are influenced by more than what the food is.

There is only one environmentally benign diet.
It isn't a vegetarian diet.
It isn't a vegan diet.
It isn't an omnivorous diet.
It is a ............ diet.

Fill in the gap and you have identified the option missing from your list. Identify it and you will see that you have found common ground between yourself and @egbert

delilah said:

Ha, no I hadn't thought of raw.

As I understand it, your dissertation is, broadly speaking, exploring the interface between our attitudes towards/ perceptions of each other, and dietary choice. You have chosen this subject because you have strong environmental concerns yourself and wanted to explore a topic of interest. Guessing that's the gist of it.

To explore this subject fully it needs to be recognized that dietary decisions, based on ethical and environmental concern, are influenced by more than what the food is.

There is only one environmentally benign diet.
It isn't a vegetarian diet.
It isn't a vegan diet.
It isn't an omnivorous diet.
It is a ............ diet.

Fill in the gap and you have identified the option missing from your list. Identify it and you will see that you have found common ground between yourself and @egbert

Click to expand...

Other.

leave the girl alone - she's doing her studies, so probably not got time for your silly games.

delilah said:

Ha, no I hadn't thought of raw.

As I understand it, your dissertation is, broadly speaking, exploring the interface between our attitudes towards/ perceptions of each other, and dietary choice. You have chosen this subject because you have strong environmental concerns yourself and wanted to explore a topic of interest. Guessing that's the gist of it.

To explore this subject fully it needs to be recognized that dietary decisions, based on ethical and environmental concern, are influenced by more than what the food is.

There is only one environmentally benign diet.
It isn't a vegetarian diet.
It isn't a vegan diet.
It isn't an omnivorous diet.
It is a ............ diet.

Fill in the gap and you have identified the option missing from your list. Identify it and you will see that you have found common ground between yourself and @egbert

Click to expand...

A very “balanced” comment!

Highland Mule said:

Other.

leave the girl alone - she's doing her studies, so probably not got time for your silly games.

Click to expand...

I don't see how trying to find common ground between Paige and her detractors is 'silly'.

delilah said:

I don't see how trying to find common ground between Paige and her detractors is 'silly'.

Click to expand...

Sorry, but to me as an outsider it just looks like you’re trying to look clever with silly riddles.

delilah said:

I don't see how trying to find common ground between Paige and her detractors is 'silly'.

Click to expand...

Delilah....
I've no interest in whatever riddles are going on.

I am more or less committed to defending what my community and I do for a living...and I see my community as further than my own bit of hill, but extending across both the wider UK, and the continent, where we all face similar issues.
We raise livestock for consumption, often with a tiny carbon footprint, sometimes with a negative carbon footprint.
Simply because of topography, or weather conditions, we are often not able to grow food for vegans.

I correctly guessed that Paige was a vegan just by filling out her survey -which in itself suggests the survey has a spin to it.
I've just googled a bit myself, and posts about her interests appear to be correct.
I have concluded that she is almost certainly carefully trying to use her time at university to further what she sees as a cause.....and spin us as nasty people

She may or may not grow out of this- I've sold our own beef to a number of reformed veggies- but what I suspect she is doing, right now, is deliberately trying to hurt me and mine for no more than a fickle lifestyle fashion.

The facts don't stack up.... (and because Paige doesn't want to share her beliefs here, we'll have to assume she's typical of the evangelising vegan/AR brigade).

'The world is being destroyed by cows burping methane'...... is a complete red herring...look up the chemistry for yourself.
(I'm happy to have the discussion about what level of livestock intensification is wise/appropriate, but I don't think we've got that far with young Paige)

'You'll live forever by being vegan' is a smokescreen. It's true that you'll probably live longer on a nutritionally restricted diet, whatever it is. And a good way to deprive yourself of nutrients is to eschew animal products.
You'll very possibly be exposed to a number of other health issues because of it, but hey ho.

'Cows are enslaved/raped/ murdered' is attributing human rights to animals, but curiously, only doe eyed fluffy animals which Paige can see.
She, as a vegan, is busily murdering far more little animals she can't see than someone eating a more balanced diet.
My much loved cows have a far better life as things stand than they would in 'Paigeworld', where they simply wouldn't exist.


I'm sorry, i can;t be bothered to go further....the lad and the dogs and I are off to move some hoggs.
She and hers have the luxury of choice, and it has evidently addled their little heads.
Given that some of her chums say the vilest things about me and mine, and want only to hurt our community, you should anticipate that we'll hardly welcome their manure with open arms.

Until she grows up, I'm not sure what possible common ground Paige and I could have.

@Highland Mule and @egbert , no riddles, just trying to show that if you and @Paige wish to look for it there is more that unites you than divides you. If you don't want to look for that common ground then fine, no skin off my nose.

delilah said:

@Highland Mule and @egbert , no riddles, just trying to show that if you and @Paige wish to look for it there is more that unites you than divides you. If you don't want to look for that common ground then fine, no skin off my nose.

Click to expand...

Plenty that unites two humans without silly quizzes and trying to make yourself look clever.