Hilly
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Just shows eh, an the fudgers all reckon they don’t make anything off new stuff ! Pah
When’s a deal done?
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betweenthelines
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I think you'll find that this is what most farmers do every day!
Imagine ordering your Sunday roast three years in advance 'cos the farmer won't breed the beast until a customer tells him he's going to buy it and provides a deposit!
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Unfortunately you haven't a clue how the business is actually done. In many cases extra help from the manufacturer, like a cash discount over and above normal terms, is only given reluctantly and after all other efforts have failed. I even had a manager once who would not answer his phone to reps, insisting that email be used. He might answer that in up to three days with more questions and a request for a copy of a rival's actual quote. He was a UK sales manager, above area managers at the time. He now sells implements and, I'm sure, been taken down a peg or three. Frankly it was not worth asking him for any help because it would have been too late and too little and totally impractical and unethical on the customer's part to show a rival quote, let alone allow it to be photographed.
Such requests, for extra help over normal terms, are generally frowned upon anyhow and very very seldom asked for in advance of quoting. The terms are generally 'the terms' and if a dealer can't sell at cost or with a small margin on those terms 90%+ of the time, the brand's pricing will just be too expensive. Either that or the dealer values or has underwritten a part exchange too low, and there could be many reasons for that also.
Netherfield
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- West Yorkshire
What do you do if the guy genuinely gets it wrong, we went to buy a Toyota pickup, can't get one for 3 months were told, across the way is a Nissan dealership,Dixon Motor Group.
On the front is a pickup walk in speak to the man and he comes up with a price £13k , now the Toyota was nearer 16k at the time, so say yes that'll do nicely, the salesman admits he's not a commercial man, usually just does cars, but he's off delivering so I stepped in to help. we arrange that he'll bring the pickup around after dinner to have a better look and a chance to drive it.
When he turns up he's all apologetic but the price is now almost the same as the Toyota because he'd worked it out from a 2 wheel drive not a 4 wheel drive.
Anyway after a bit of arguing we got it down some more and bought it.
On the front is a pickup walk in speak to the man and he comes up with a price £13k , now the Toyota was nearer 16k at the time, so say yes that'll do nicely, the salesman admits he's not a commercial man, usually just does cars, but he's off delivering so I stepped in to help. we arrange that he'll bring the pickup around after dinner to have a better look and a chance to drive it.
When he turns up he's all apologetic but the price is now almost the same as the Toyota because he'd worked it out from a 2 wheel drive not a 4 wheel drive.
Anyway after a bit of arguing we got it down some more and bought it.
Grassman
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- Derbyshire
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You're making excuses , need 2 things in a deal . price and availability . yea or nay .
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
You have answered your own question , that’s what you do ! You get a gut feeling when one is fibbing and when one has made gen mistake not be very nice person that capitalises on genuine mistake.
betweenthelines
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As another posted said, farmers are "rooted" If farmer Brown of Manor Farm says he wants to buy something, he isn't likely to do a runner, abandoning the farm is he? Also, if you have a beef calf born today, are you going to shoot it? Or do you know who's going to buy it in 18 months time. Does every farmer only grow crops that have been forward sold? "Park the drill up Bill, I haven't got a buyer for the wheat in 12 months time"
Farmers grow crops, rear animals etc, knowing that someone will buy, they just don't know who or for what price! It's a pity the people who live off the backs of farmers aren't willing to do the same! Perhaps farmers should say to dealers "I'll buy that tractor for whatever x tonnes of wheat is making on the day you deliver it!
Farmers grow crops, rear animals etc, knowing that someone will buy, they just don't know who or for what price! It's a pity the people who live off the backs of farmers aren't willing to do the same! Perhaps farmers should say to dealers "I'll buy that tractor for whatever x tonnes of wheat is making on the day you deliver it!
All machinery dealers fix the prices between themselves , no different to the blokes round the fat ring
Cowabunga
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Yes. It's not my problem if various companies cannot deliver on either from time to time. So no excuses, I'm just telling you as it is and the reason that some poor sod may have to come back in humiliating circumstances with a late lower quote, many times to be turned away. It's just what happens.
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Cowabunga
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That may be the case between friendly dealers of the same brand who recognise 'shoppers'. These shoppers may also play more than one salesman from the same dealership but different depots against each other.
However there is as much competition between dealers of the same brand as there is cooperation, depending on where you are. I know two dealers for the same brand in one area where one of them will go out of their way to undercut and eat into the other's area. It's dog eat dog.
Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
BIL ordered a 2019 New Blue Suzuki Jimmy 360 days ago , paid a cash deposit in the region of £700 but since June they are telling him that the cannot guarantee the colour and he can either take what they can get or have his cash back - He still wants a blue one so I suggest that they wrap the next one in as a gesture for accepting a deposit for something they couldn’t supply. ?
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- 200 miles N,NW of New York
What I want to know is, how come carrots are usually 65p a bag, yet pre xmas they were 19p a bag, at 19p a bag farmers will be making a penny or 2, so must be really creaming it in at 65p a bag, must be a real money making scheme this carrot malarkey
lloyd
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- Herefordshire
Dealers terms and margins vary enormously.
Went to buy a new Hilux off local dealership 8 miles
away best discount was £1500 ,told the boy it sounded
rubbish can I have some more and he basically replied "it's going to be a short conversation ,see ya".
Left it a couple of months rang the commercial department of dealer 40 miles
away and ended up with over £5k discount.
The funny thing is both dealerships are owned by the same parent company.
I have to drive by the local one most days and cant help a sly gesture.
Went to buy a new Hilux off local dealership 8 miles
away best discount was £1500 ,told the boy it sounded
rubbish can I have some more and he basically replied "it's going to be a short conversation ,see ya".
Left it a couple of months rang the commercial department of dealer 40 miles
away and ended up with over £5k discount.
The funny thing is both dealerships are owned by the same parent company.
I have to drive by the local one most days and cant help a sly gesture.
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
I’ve had similar with Car s , local one shocking in every way , go to one 50 miles away could not be better in every way, finance , customer service everything , like insurance I have found it’s more often the person you talking to/dealing with than the company , the company’s are only as good as the people they employ. Tip of the day want a new motor end of this month best time for a deal !
lloyd
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- Herefordshire
End of his trading target is when I bought it.
He told me afterwards i wouldn't have had a better
deal if I had bought 20.
Cowabunga
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Tractor dealer terms are generally uniform within a country with a few exceptions. New dealers may have a year or two extra start-up help in the form of extra discount.
Car and van dealers are different, with more volume-based discounts. Some pickups, like Ford and Nissan are different again in that their car dealerships are not all truck dealers. They have specialist truck dealers who are expected to move high volumes of metal and to supply the car dealers.
The headline grabbing discounted prices quoted here from time to time are not available at my local Ford and Nissan dealers, even though they have the odd pickup in for sale and will take orders. No, for the best deals we need to head for the specialist truck dealers which might also have car dealerships as part of the business of course. An example is that for South Wales, Days Trucks are the transit, van and pickup dealers and all lesser dealers get new trucks through them and any major repairs get sent to Days rather than get done by the local car dealer. I presume that Days raise a handling charge for new trucks they supply to other Ford dealers
lloyd
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- Herefordshire
I think certain size machinery dealers can lean on their
suppliers for a better deal whether it's a few percent or
upgrade of spec etc.
Buying a machine is only part of it.
The dealer will look at what parts are bought through
their dealership and how much money they are making out
of you in other ways .
There is definately a bigger picture involved than just buying a machine off the shelf.
suppliers for a better deal whether it's a few percent or
upgrade of spec etc.
Buying a machine is only part of it.
The dealer will look at what parts are bought through
their dealership and how much money they are making out
of you in other ways .
There is definately a bigger picture involved than just buying a machine off the shelf.
Cowabunga
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Not so much lean on their suppliers. The big name manufacturers are boss and demand respect from their dealers, make no mistake about it.
A big reason that some dealers may have a significantly better deal than others is timing. Some dealers get wind of a special deal or of when a large price increase is due and have the wherewithal to order comparatively large numbers of these into stock. Other dealers might not have a suitable tractor in stock for a customer and need to order from the factory, or had already ordered at the new higher price. They cannot pass this on to match the other model, because just like buying anything, the price will have gone up.
Some manufacturers will pass on an extra discount on stock machines in the event that the price falls or more favourable discounts are made available on new orders compared to ones in stock though, fair play to them. They do this to encourage dealers to stock, and they do not ever wish to disadvantage stocking dealers compared to those that don't carry adequate stocks.
With lead times ranging from ten weeks to a year or so, depending on trade, the model and where it is built and when it was launched, in times of inflation there can be a significant difference and more than one price increase between machines that are even currently in stock.
lloyd
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- Herefordshire
All I know is is I've had deals that I'd struggle to better at a farm sale.
What brand of farm machinery were you involved in selling?