Monbiot's TV show.....Apocalypse Cow: How Meat Killed the Planet

Just saw this pop up on Facebook... what the heck?!?! Is this going to be the new norm for farmers? What happens if they turn up here and want to take a cow or a calf?

https://www.agriland.co.uk/farming-news/vegan-protesters-take-pig-from-northern-ireland-farm/

Happyheifer said:

Just saw this pop up on Facebook... what the heck?!?! Is this going to be the new norm for farmers? What happens if they turn up here and want to take a cow or a calf?

https://www.agriland.co.uk/farming-news/vegan-protesters-take-pig-from-northern-ireland-farm/

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Expect more of this following the programme on Ch4 tonight. Reminds of a report I saw a few years ago when an animal rights lunatic had 'rescued' a trailer load of lambs and had put them in his loft

Happyheifer said:

What happens if they turn up here and want to take a cow or a calf?

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Keep a full load in the slurry tanker, ready to go? I dare say that a thorough drenching in sh!te would make them think twice. Other than that, the only other suggestion I can think of is get dogs. Big nasty dogs. One of the guys I manufacture parts for has two Presa Canario. Since he got them incursions into his yard have stopped.

Petition to try and ban vegan foods using banes such as sausage, mince etc.

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Go on the taffs

Jerry said:

Petition to try and ban vegan foods using banes such as sausage, mince etc.

Sign the Petition

BAN ‘MEAT NAMES’ FOR VEGETARIAN ALTERNATIVES

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Why does it say "For Vegetarian Alternatives", and not vegan?

primmiemoo said:

Why does it say "For Vegetarian Alternatives", and not vegan?

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Not my petition.
But I wonder the same.

Well that's Carol Vorderman telling Mr Monbiot his calculations are rubbish.

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1...2Y7GPBLt-3n8kdkLo6JojpTocgrvvhXHzIZGggf7PfiaY

Jerry said:

Not my petition.
But I wonder the same.

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Who is it being sent too?

Muck Spreader said:

Well that's Carol Vorderman telling Mr Monbiot his calculations are rubbish.

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1...2Y7GPBLt-3n8kdkLo6JojpTocgrvvhXHzIZGggf7PfiaY

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So much "like"! Who knew Carol Vorderman would be our saviour? Rachael Riley is no longer my favourite Countdown co-host.

bitwrx said:

So much "like"! Who knew Carol Vorderman would be our saviour? Rachael Riley is no longer my favourite Countdown co-host.

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I sure that she'll be devastated.

bitwrx said:

So much "like"! Who knew Carol Vorderman would be our saviour? Rachael Riley is no longer my favourite Countdown co-host.

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Carol has a dirty laugh.

Still Farming said:

Who is it being sent too?

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Just popped up on my social media, thought I would give it a bit more exposure here

primmiemoo said:

Why does it say "For Vegetarian Alternatives", and not vegan?

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Because some aren't vegan (most Quorn uses egg whites).

SteveHants said:

Because some aren't vegan (most Quorn uses egg whites).

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There's me thinking Quorn is fully approved by the diet police!

Muck Spreader said:

Well that's Carol Vorderman telling Mr Monbiot his calculations are rubbish.

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1...2Y7GPBLt-3n8kdkLo6JojpTocgrvvhXHzIZGggf7PfiaY

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Would someone be a sweet, and open the link within the thread, please? My tablet says there are security probs with it, so I can't read it.

primmiemoo said:

Would someone be a sweet, and open the link within the thread, please? My tablet says there are security probs with it, so I can't read it.

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@1garethwynjones is right.

Go to the back of the maths class George Monbiot ...The man who made sensational claims on @channel4 last week about how farming should be replaced. He claimed that factories making 'food' using hydrogen (yum!!) would take up an area 20,000 times less than that needed by current farming based on photosynthesis, and thus would help to save the environment.

Monbiot: “The land efficiency, the company (Solar Foods) estimates, is roughly 20,000 times greater (than farming).Everyone on Earth could be handsomely fed, and using a tiny fraction of its surface.”
Monbiot's twitter feed: "“the team claims they could supply enough protein to feed all the world’s people in an area the size of Ohio. Daily protein requirement: 50g. x 7.5 billion = 140mt pa. 50,000t per ha pa means 2800 hectares. Including solar panels, that makes 5.6 million hectares of desert.”

WRONG
How can I be so sure? Well, the man who runs Solar Foods, Pasi Vainikka, has said George is wrong.
In New Scientist Vainikka says "the efficiency figure Monbiot cites applies only to the area of land taken up by the factories." and NOT as Monbiot claims in his tweets (above), the area of land also needed for the solar panels.
The Solar Foods boss Vainikka goes on
"If the energy (to split into oxygen and hydrogen) were derived from solar, says Vainikka, "then it would be only 10 times more land efficient than farmed soya."


To explain....This 'food' production requires hydrogen to help bacteria to turn carbon dioxide and nitrogen in air into protein-rich organic matter... the 'food'.
Where does the hydrogen come from? A huge amount of electricity needs to be generated to split water into oxygen and hydrogen, to provide it. That electricity is generated by solar power.

So here we have two claims

George says 20,000 times more land efficient than current photosynthesis.
Solar Foods says NO, it's only approximately 10 times more because contrary to what he claims, George's estimate did NOT include the land needed for solar panels.

So if we are to believe the man who runs the company George, You're out by a monumental factor of somewhere near 2,000.

To put that in context, George claimed that to feed the entire world this form of food generation could be completed in an area slightly less than the size of Ohio (total is approx 116,000 km2, so let's say he estimated 100,000km2)

CRUCIALLY, a factor of 2,000 means that he would need 2,000 times that, which is approx 200 Million km2.

The world only has a land mass of approx 150 Million km2.

So on George's numbers (these are NOT my numbers, they are his claims) he would need more than all the land in the world to generate the power needed to make the 'food'... hmmmmmm?? I smell a statistical rat here.

Sort it out Channel 4, I'm genuinely interested, but get your numbers right. Then come back with something more credible.

Muck Spreader said:

Well that's Carol Vorderman telling Mr Monbiot his calculations are rubbish.

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1...2Y7GPBLt-3n8kdkLo6JojpTocgrvvhXHzIZGggf7PfiaY

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OMG that is the funniest thing I've read on here for quite a while. Can we have another programme next week for an hour on this please? It would just be about five minutes long but just be looped. Entitled "How George Monbiot tried to scandalously con the public into believing his guff". Obv we'd need to have a full week of C4 advertising the programme beforehand.

Go Carol Vorderman!!