Should we be buying Ssangyong pickups?

agrimax

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Location
Co Down
It should be though. If ssangyong started doin this it would giv them a major sellin point compared to the others especially in a climate like ours where half its life it spends covered in wet muck not to mention the salt on the roads

It would be ideal if they all did it but the manufacturers don't want them to last as it would result in less new vehicle sales.. The Np300 Navara is a good example. There's even move manufactured holes in the chassis than the older models. Supposed to have a stronger chassis than the older models,but why then put more holes in it that serve no purpose other than to let the wet and mud in, which cut's down on its longevity? On mine,I've tried to get as much Dinitrol sprayed inside the chassis as on the outside but it'll still rot from the inside out albeit hopefully taking much longer to do so!
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Just like Land Rover, owned by Tata and made all over the place, including China (although that might be Jag only). Ssanyong is owned by Tata's big rival Mahindra & Mahindra so they'd be some competition between them with M&M being keen to muscle in on the fancy jeep market in the west. As for the Cybertruck don't hold your breath, I've just been doing a little more research into EV's and honestly, they are a complete scam. You think depreciation is going to be bad news on a Ssangyong then wait until you try and sell a 10 year old Tesla with a fooked battery.
There will probably be cheap and better batteries available for them by then. Possibly Chinese knock-offs as there are currently for virtually every mobile consumer battery driven device you can think of.
 

Scribus

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Location
Central Atlantic
There will probably be cheap and better batteries available for them by then. Possibly Chinese knock-offs as there are currently for virtually every mobile consumer battery driven device you can think of.

We keep hearing this but it's no more than an empty platitude. The li-ion battery has been around for nearly 50 years and still nothing better has come along.

We have to wake ourselves from this dozy attitude that all we will be grand 'cos its technology innit.

Talking of China you might not be so impressed by its brilliance having read this -

Elodie is 15. Her two-month-old son is wrapped tightly in a frayed cloth around her back. He inhales potentially lethal mineral dust every time he takes a breath. Toxicity assaults at every turn; earth and water are contaminated with industrial runoff, and the air is brown with noxious haze. Elodie is on her own here, orphaned by cobalt mines that took both her parents. She spends the entire day bent over, digging with a small shovel to gather enough cobalt-containing heterogenite stone to rinse at nearby Lake Malo to fill one sack. It will take her an entire day to do so, after which Chinese traders will pay her about $0.65 (50p). Hopeless though it may be, it is her and her child’s only means of survival.

 
That was win then, same cost to own but £10k invested in something else.
Maybe, maybe not.
The land cruiser would probably still be going strong making the cost of ownership per year less.
Maybe he should have bought a second hand land cruiser for less than the price of a new Kia that would have been good for nine years and probably worth more than a nine year old Kia
 

Tomr10

Member
Just like Land Rover, owned by Tata and made all over the place, including China (although that might be Jag only). Ssanyong is owned by Tata's big rival Mahindra & Mahindra so they'd be some competition between them with M&M being keen to muscle in on the fancy jeep market in the west. As for the Cybertruck don't hold your breath, I've just been doing a little more research into EV's and honestly, they are a complete scam. You think depreciation is going to be bad news on a Ssangyong then wait until you try and sell a 10 year old Tesla with a fooked battery.
Battery rated for 300000 to 500000 miles with 8 year warranty
 

Lincsman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Maybe, maybe not.
The land cruiser would probably still be going strong making the cost of ownership per year less.
Maybe he should have bought a second hand land cruiser for less than the price of a new Kia that would have been good for nine years and probably worth more than a nine year old Kia

All maybe's, especially the reliability of the land cruiser when very old, bottom line in reality he had £10k of real money still in the bank.
 

Y Fan Wen

Member
Location
N W Snowdonia
I'm very sceptical of these average life claims, I've had quite a lot of 50000 hr led lights die after a few months.
Doubt the batteries will be much better at the end of their Life.
I started writing the date of change on 'long life' compact cfl bulbs 'cos I was so disappointed with them. Started calling them 'short life bulbs'. Seem to have disappeared now, all led types.
 

Poorbuthappy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
I started writing the date of change on 'long life' compact cfl bulbs 'cos I was so disappointed with them. Started calling them 'short life bulbs'. Seem to have disappeared now, all led types.
We moved into our new house 2 years ago last November- all new led bulbs. 5 have gone already. Mostly just out of warranty ?
 

Scribus

Member
Location
Central Atlantic
I'm very sceptical of these average life claims, I've had quite a lot of 50000 hr led lights die after a few months.
Doubt the batteries will be much better at the end of their Life.
It sounds like the sort of figure that Musk pulled out of his behind TBH.

The deterioration of li-ion batteries is well understood and there are hopes that an answer may be found sometime in the future, have Tesla rewritten the rules of physics and chemistry? In their own heads perhaps.
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
We keep hearing this but it's no more than an empty platitude. The li-ion battery has been around for nearly 50 years and still nothing better has come along.

We have to wake ourselves from this dozy attitude that all we will be grand 'cos its technology innit.

Talking of China you might not be so impressed by its brilliance having read this -

Elodie is 15. Her two-month-old son is wrapped tightly in a frayed cloth around her back. He inhales potentially lethal mineral dust every time he takes a breath. Toxicity assaults at every turn; earth and water are contaminated with industrial runoff, and the air is brown with noxious haze. Elodie is on her own here, orphaned by cobalt mines that took both her parents. She spends the entire day bent over, digging with a small shovel to gather enough cobalt-containing heterogenite stone to rinse at nearby Lake Malo to fill one sack. It will take her an entire day to do so, after which Chinese traders will pay her about $0.65 (50p). Hopeless though it may be, it is her and her child’s only means of survival.

Yes that is truly awful. However you look into how China are changing to be green and at the rate they are changing! They are business people of the world. They know that kids mining batteries then being adopted by angelina jolly can’t be sustainable. They will and I think already are at the forefront of clean energy
 

Scribus

Member
Location
Central Atlantic
Yes that is truly awful. However you look into how China are changing to be green and at the rate they are changing! They are business people of the world. They know that kids mining batteries then being adopted by angelina jolly can’t be sustainable. They will and I think already are at the forefront of clean energy
As they happily burn more coal than ever -


But never mind, you keep whistling past the graveyard.
 
Yes that is truly awful. However you look into how China are changing to be green and at the rate they are changing! They are business people of the world. They know that kids mining batteries then being adopted by angelina jolly can’t be sustainable. They will and I think already are at the forefront of clean energy

Yesterday there was a story on the news about how China are massively ramping up their coal mining operations to get enough stock for a big push in their industrial intentions.

It didn’t sound very green to me. More like “we’re going to do what we like with our coal, bugger the rest of the world”.

Today, Trump has been putting down the environmentalists as scare mongers and prophets of doom. He’s not bothered about the environment one bit.

Can you see Russia or India worrying?


If China, Russia, India and the US aren’t going to bother, why do the rest of the world think their efforts will make any difference?
 

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