Buying a bull thats related to a current bull?

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hubbahubba

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Sunny Glasgow

• Feb 2, 2020

• #1

I am interested in buying a bull tomorrow thats related to one of my current stock bulls that we keep heifers from. The bull.for sale has the same grandad as my current bull. Theres actually 16 bulls for sale out of 100 that are related to my two bulls.

So if i can get this correct - i could bull a heifer thats great grandad is the same as the bulls grandad What the thinking on this?

 

Last edited: Feb 2, 2020

Dave6170

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Watten, caithness

• Feb 2, 2020

• #2

Grand sire i wouldnt be worried. I have 2 like that

 

Davy_g

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Co Down

• Feb 2, 2020

• #3

Commercial breeding I wouldn’t worry.

Pedigree breeding it shouldn’t be an issue so I wouldn’t worry either.
Happy bidding.

 

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backin black

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• Feb 2, 2020

• #4

What breed? Had a walk through bulls today decent enough show.

 

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hubbahubba

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Sunny Glasgow

• Feb 2, 2020

• #5

Shorthorns. Never made it up today. Dont need him till summer but never think the Carlisle may sale is up to much....

 

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Agrivator

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• Feb 2, 2020

• #6

Don't worry about inbreeding in any cattle or sheep breed.

 

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JSmith

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• Feb 2, 2020

• #7

I had two bulls that had some of the same breeding in the pedigree, not a lot an I never really thought about it!! Had two funny calves born an took bloods because we thought it was something nasty, came back from the lab which said the DNA was two close between the bull an these two particular heifers! It was only two out of twenty but don’t want a repeat of that an soon got rid of the bull, the cows had normal calves since!! I know inbreeding/line breeding is rife in all sorts of pedigree stock I’m just repeating what the vet said in this particular instance!!

 

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Paul E

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Boggy.

• Feb 3, 2020

• #8

Depends what bad genes they've got.
Inbreeding magnifies them many times.
(And reduces general efficiency. But that may be mitigated by the increase in output due to inbreeding.)

 

Northeastfarmer

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Cleveland

• Feb 3, 2020

• #9

Just call it line breeding

 

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som farmer

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somerset

• Feb 3, 2020

• #10

another word, genetic, pedigree breeders should do it carefully, others its random, went to a dairy sale, some I/c to their sire, who was their grandsire, and their great grand sire. Didn't effect the price. Natures way, in the wild, is strongest gets the ladies, they could be top dog for several years !

 

Ysgythan

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Livestock Farmer

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Ammanford

• Feb 3, 2020

• #11

hubbahubba said:

I am interested in buying a bull tomorrow thats related to one of my current stock bulls that we keep heifers from. The bull.for sale has the same grandad as my current bull. Theres actually 16 bulls for sale out of 100 that are related to my two bulls.

So if i can get this correct - i could bull a heifer thats great grandad is the same as the bulls grandad What the thinking on this?

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it’s fine

 

Happy

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Scotland

• Feb 3, 2020

• #12

Did you get a bull today @hubbahubba?
What was the trade like?

As for line/inbreeding we had this bull once

British Charolais Animal Details BLELACK ROBROY (UK521115600159) MF0097972

 

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hubbahubba

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Sunny Glasgow

• Feb 4, 2020

• #13

Happy said:

Did you get a bull today @hubbahubba?
What was the trade like?

As for line/inbreeding we had this bull once

British Charolais Animal Details BLELACK ROBROY (UK521115600159) MF0097972

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Never got any, waited too long for a bull that was out my price range. I should of had the related bull early on sale i made this topic for but never mind.

It was shorthorns i was looking at, good ones sold very well over and over 6k (2x 20k) , not many middle of the road ones at around 4k and alot of no so good at 2k or not sold.

 

Last edited: Feb 4, 2020

Bill dog

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Scottish Borders

• Feb 4, 2020

• #14

 

Bill dog

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Scottish Borders

• Feb 4, 2020

• #15

This came in the post today. Might be of use for someone looking for a Hereford. I’m not, but couldn’t praise John or his bulls highly enough !!