HS2

yellow belly · Feb 12, 2020

The railways we have were built over 100 years ago by private business then when it went bust because of car and lorry ownership it was nationalised

we can trail from here to west Scotland for less than the fuel in a car and quicker
every one is complaining that travelling by electric car is not practical for longer distances building a railway fit for the next 250 years is what is needed
the Victorian railway is still going strong after 150 years the only big issue is the level crossings and the low bridges

Cowabunga · Feb 12, 2020

JCMaloney said:
It was inevitable it would go ahead because the Government is "beyond the point of no return" with commitments, demolition, land purchase etc etc.

For anyone going East by road the A14 work is scheduled to open 6 month`s early so the country can do "big infrastructure".

Interesting footnote is that the proposed second Thames crossing (all 14 miles of it) will destroy a lot more Ancient woodland than HS2 ever will.

They have only spent a fraction of the current projected cost so far so could have easily cut its losses. We all know that even the current budget will be exceeded by between 25% and 75% anyway, even though it has already been inflated by threefold or so since the original estimates.

Cowabunga · Feb 12, 2020

br jones said:
Hs2 will create a corridor to london ,all the way along it will boom ,as it will supply london,

There's unlikely to be a station at every village it passes. In fact there is unlikely to be a single station stop between one end and the other, so I fail to see how its corridor would boom. Unless it breaks the sound barrier.

Robt · Feb 12, 2020

JCMaloney said:
It was inevitable it would go ahead because the Government is "beyond the point of no return" with commitments, demolition, land purchase etc etc.

For anyone going East by road the A14 work is scheduled to open 6 month`s early so the country can do "big infrastructure".

Interesting footnote is that the proposed second Thames crossing (all 14 miles of it) will destroy a lot more Ancient woodland than HS2 ever will.

yes but the smart works on the M6 are terribly slow.... 23 more months to go!.. I have to travel by car. I try my best to do as much by skype or phone as possible. We are still very much a people industry so i need to cover 50,000 per year.

Derrick Hughes · Feb 12, 2020

Robt said:
yes but the smart works on the M6 are terribly slow.... 23 more months to go!.. I have to travel by car. I try my best to do as much by skype or phone as possible. We are still very much a people industry so i need to cover 50,000 per year.

Smart works have stopped . Probably abandoning that stuppid death trap and going back to hard shoulder

Farma Parma · Feb 12, 2020

colhonk said:
WHY would anyone want to go to London anyway.it`s s&&thole.or is it for them all to escape to the idilic country side.

I wouldnt go there if you paid me. looks a right dump of multi cultural single minded folks that can struggle to even say hello to other people esp on the tube.

Bogweevil · Feb 12, 2020

Farma Parma said:
I wouldnt go there if you paid me. looks a right dump of multi cultural single minded folks that can struggle to even say hello to other people esp on the tube.

How I love Northumberland, it is so EMPTY

Exfarmer · Feb 12, 2020

Forage Trader said:
Smart works have stopped . Probably abandoning that stuppid death trap and going back to hard shoulder

You are unaware the death rate is lower on the smart motorways, by over 10%

Chasingmytail · Feb 12, 2020

Lets remember before we compare with the Chinese we have H&S, laws, working hours, unions, Months of engineering planning and assessments, density, old victorian infrastructure, bridges etc. The chinese dont do a few hours a day of actual graft they do a full day. Projects like this labour will be imported from abroad and specialist engineers from around the world. Anyone involved in big projects know it doesnt benefit local business it goes international. Bidding goes into Europe/Asia to the cheapest.

A big hotel around here had a big conference centre built I dont know anyone/business that benefited from it. Labour was generally through agency at cheap cheap cheap. Tried to get work on the Heads of the Valleys infrastucture years ago. Went to these "meet the Buyer" events absolute waste of time. Give you a load of fancy waffle. The main contractors sub on sub by the time it gets to small companies its not worth the rates. These projects only benefit the big multi nationals & big team players. Look what happened to Costains.

Derrick Hughes · Feb 12, 2020

Exfarmer said:
You are unaware the death rate is lower on the smart motorways, by over 10%

Dont know who told you that but its wong

anzani · Feb 12, 2020

glasshouse said:
Surely not
Brunel had the right idea with his 8ft gauge
Imagine running a 300 hp fendt on 11x28 fergy tyres at 56 inch centres?

The reason its 4' 8.5" is because that was the width of a roman chariot. Waggons were built to run in the ruts created by Roman traffic.When the first experimental rail waggon was built, it used a horse waggon. No doubt your Fendt would make its own ruts!

Farma Parma · Feb 12, 2020

Bogweevil said:
How I love Northumberland, it is so EMPTY

Aye its bloody lovely & long may it stay that way.
In the real world its hardly empty tho now is it. Tourism is vast easily 9months of the year
no Thanks to Robson Green telling the rest of the world about (The Secret Kingdom)
From the Rolling Cheviot Hills to the impressive Castles esp the likes of Bamburgh on the coast & Alnwick inland.
The Main A1 Trunk Road passes through our County yes its still single track past me but we just get on with it.
Dark Skies here at night & its just Fab.

db9go · Feb 12, 2020

TheTallGuy said:
I'm not involved, but I do have an interest in railways - not a spotter though! I'm guessing that the gauge that was being referred to is the "Loading Gauge" which is the physical envelope that the train must stay within - the track gauge will be standard gauge as there is no reason to build any different & in sticking within standard gauge standard equipment & designs for wheelsets etc can be used. HS1 from St Pancras to the Channel Tunnel was built to the larger "GC" gauge. The original Eurostar route into Waterloo wasn't cleared to GC & so the original Eurostar trains were built to match the available space, the newer trains are bigger & can only run on the HS1 route.

Virtually none of the existing network, aside form HS1 is cleared to GC, hence why we don't have the double deck trains seen on the continent. HS2 has been specified as being built to GC gauge, although it's questionable whether much use of the extra space will be used as the initial fleet of trains will be "Classic Compatible" & I suspect that the design of later phases will result in no benefit in having the larger trains built as they will be "captive" on the new system, whereas the classic compatible trains could go almost anywhere.

The difference in static gauge size between most of our network and GC isn't huge - it's somewhere around 2' if I remember correctly, but the big difference is the width & especially towards the top of the vehicle, so I'm not sure where this talk of 5m has come from.

At one point the two line are at the same level and they say the old track has to go over HS2 and the moment they say about 5m to lift the old track
Is there any one on here having to deal with HS2

Post Driver · Feb 12, 2020

db9go said:
At one point the two line are at the same level and they say the old track has to go over HS2 and the moment they say about 5m to lift the old track
Is there any one on here having to deal with HS2

Only for pricing jobs, give me strength!

Bury the Trash · Feb 12, 2020

glasshouse said:
How deep is water?
Average windspeed?
Thats not china

About 30 metres, tbh it's a river estuary / delta but it's a fairly big one .

Its built to withstand typhoons and a magnitude 8 earthquake .

Zhuhai is midway along it.

34 Mile long , suspension / islands / tunnel.

Cowcalf · Feb 12, 2020

theres no way what ever they put in place it will doubtless last as short as anything else that's put up today, seems to be how quick can we make them fail as against how long can we make this last ,seems so strange with all the technology we have

betweenthelines · Feb 12, 2020

I'd rather the HS2 money was spent on local transport solutions.

What winds me up about train travel is that it's mostly used by people who choose to live many miles from their place of work (usually because of lower property prices) then complain that it's not subsidised enough!

It was sad to hear a guy on the radio today who's house is in the path of HS2 and only learnt this when a neighbour told him! He's been offered "market value" +10%. They had a Solicitor on who basically told him to take the offer as he wouldn't get a better deal-did say though, that in France Compulsory purchase is Market value +50%!

Exfarmer · Feb 12, 2020

Forage Trader said:
Dont know who told you that but its wong

No the figures are 7 deaths compared to 8 deaths on conventional motorways for the relevant miles travelled

Ukjay · Feb 12, 2020

Exfarmer said:
No the figures are 7 deaths compared to 8 deaths on conventional motorways for the relevant miles travelled

How safe are smart motorways? Only 48% of motorists say they know how to use them - SHP - Health and Safety News, Legislation, PPE, CPD and Resources

More than half of UK motorist claim not to understand the rules of smart motorways, according to a recent poll.

www.shponline.co.uk

primmiemoo · Feb 12, 2020

Ukjay said:
Why does it sum him up - some of the current global cross water bridges make his suggestion easily plausible, and would cost a lot less than the bloody HS2.

... And, given the way things are, go to the other Bangor ...

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