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caveman

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No 10 in charge and steering the ship. Just as it should be.
Oh.
And the advice was to vote Brexit Party to hold Boris's feet to the fire.
 
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So, would you rather have the good Mr Johnson and his advisor Mr Cummings (otherwise known as Boris ‘n Dom) or that former collection of incompetents headed by Olly Robbins and his Boss (???) May running your country?
Please don’t say you would prefer to revert to the Juncker/Verhofstadt/Tusk option. I can’t even remember or be bothered to look up the names of the new lot called Presidents of the EU.
 
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Danllan

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Whats your view on Javid resigning?
Like them or not, neither Boris nor DC are thick; I think it must have been pretty obvious that SJ would resign given such an ultimatum, so the presumption must be that they wanted him gone and acted accordingly. That begs the question of why...

In answer to that, I think it was one of or a combination of two reasons: firstly that they didn't think he could be relied upon to turn on the fiscal taps as required - probably true; and / or secondly, that they didn't think he could be relied upon to back them to the hilt if a no-deal scenario is realistic at the end of this year - probably untrue, but I guess they thought it better to bin him now than face what could be a very damaging 'resignation' then.

What's your view on it?
 

jendan

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Northumberland
Like them or not, neither Boris nor DC are thick; I think it must have been pretty obvious that SJ would resign given such an ultimatum, so the presumption must be that they wanted him gone and acted accordingly. That begs the question of why...

In answer to that, I think it was one of or a combination of two reasons: firstly that they didn't think he could be relied upon to turn on the fiscal taps as required - probably true; and / or secondly, that they didn't think he could be relied upon to back them to the hilt if a no-deal scenario is realistic at the end of this year - probably untrue, but I guess they thought it better to bin him now than face what could be a very damaging 'resignation' then.

What's your view on it?
I was surprised by his resignation,and would have thought that Johnson and Cummings would have made sure he was "one of us" before they appointed him in the first place.I dont know much of Javid but at least he has had the guts to resign.And it begs the question of which self respecting politician would ever accept the chancellors job now.He will have zero input into it.All he will have to do is read out his written for speech on budget day in the Commons.It appears that after being told for years that there is no magic money tree,now they have managed to find one.
 

jendan

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Northumberland
I'm quite happy to think that many advisers have a lot more knowledge and sense than a lot of ministers.
As stated many times........
Advisers advise.
Ministers decide.
In this case the advisors are doing more than advise.They are telling elected cabinet ministers what to do or they are effectively sacked.What is the point of cabinet governance? Might as well just have a president like PM with his "advisors" around him. It reminds me of a sketch from "Not the nine o clock news" many years ago where Griff Rhys Jones played the president,and Rowan Atkinson was the advisor..........."cub cakes" and all. I would put the link up if i knew how to do it.
 

caveman

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East Sussex.
In this case the advisors are doing more than advise.They are telling elected cabinet ministers what to do or they are effectively sacked.What is the point of cabinet governance? Might as well just have a president like PM with his "advisors" around him. It reminds me of a sketch from "Not the nine o clock news" many years ago where Griff Rhys Jones played the president,and Rowan Atkinson was the advisor..........."cub cakes" and all. I would put the link up if i knew how to do it.
Have you noticed why Liverpool FC are so successful at the moment?
 

Muck Spreader

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Limousin
In this case the advisors are doing more than advise.They are telling elected cabinet ministers what to do or they are effectively sacked.What is the point of cabinet governance? Might as well just have a president like PM with his "advisors" around him. It reminds me of a sketch from "Not the nine o clock news" many years ago where Griff Rhys Jones played the president,and Rowan Atkinson was the advisor..........."cub cakes" and all. I would put the link up if i knew how to do it.

Can't find that one, but this one from 1980 appears horribly familiar.
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
I think you are r
Like them or not, neither Boris nor DC are thick; I think it must have been pretty obvious that SJ would resign given such an ultimatum, so the presumption must be that they wanted him gone and acted accordingly. That begs the question of why...

In answer to that, I think it was one of or a combination of two reasons: firstly that they didn't think he could be relied upon to turn on the fiscal taps as required - probably true; and / or secondly, that they didn't think he could be relied upon to back them to the hilt if a no-deal scenario is realistic at the end of this year - probably untrue, but I guess they thought it better to bin him now than face what could be a very damaging 'resignation' then.

What's your view on it?
I think you are right but I don`t think they, I mean Cummings, approved of his advisers. Advisers are necessary in government departments and should be extremely influential but if the PM is advised not to trust the Chancellors advisers he must act accordingly or over rule the advise. Not that simple but the old adage holds good "why have a dog and do the barking yourself?". The ultimate decision lies with the minister but he is only as good as the people around him.
 

Bald Rick

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Anglesey
Don’t know where to put this really but seeing as it’s a “Cummings” thread, thought it was appropriate here ....

Small excerpt from Rod Liddle column in today’s Sunday Times:

“I had thought that the thing that would finally do for our Prime Minister was his relentlessly mischievous and inquisitive penis, especially its possible involvement (vehemently denied) in the Jennifer Arcuri business revealed last autumn.”
 

Hindsight

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