Nothing wrong with dragging yourself up the ladder but what happens to those ,that for whatever reason, are unable to? Any government should have a system in place to catch those that fall through the cracks.
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Of course but the trouble is if you make it too easy you encourage folk to become lazy and rely on the state, how you get the balance is difficult, perhaps those who receive handouts need to give something back to the community, but of course the woolly minded wouldn't want that as it would be too degrading
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I think education is the general answer to this, but only the general answer. Clearly some who, for whatever reason, are genuinely unable to help themselves, need and should get help from those of us more fortunate. But they are and always will be a relatively small minority.
But, for the rest of us, if there is an opportunity to study / train for something, anything really, there is absolutely no excuse not to do it, and then to work at it. This could be anything from a really bright girl going for a medical degree to a middle-aged guy with Downs' Syndrome learning how to do a relatively basic job for a supermarket. If the potential is there to do something, and contribute to society in so doing, the rest of us - though the medium of the State - should enable such potential to be realised.
I'm on the Right, but I've good friends on the Left who would fully agree with the above; I think it makes social and economic sense - as well as being morally right for both individuals and society.
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Bernie would get my vote, as he was shafted by the Dems four years ago. And he has also enraged Bibi, which is always a plus in my book.
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Yep, and it's pretty much down to the market economy; but the alternative and the lack of freedom it involves is too awful to contemplate. I've no problem with capping publicly funded wages, but I'd not see the private sector reined in by anything other than market forces - if enough people don't like the way a firm does something, and shift their business because of it, the firm will either change or fold.
I think from the way salaries of top executives and bonuses in some sectors have rocketed self control hasn't worked, I think good people should be rewarded well but often we have seen failure rewarded well too, perhaps having the boss paid by a multiple of the lowest wage in a company would be a better way, greed has taken over the boardroom
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No. I understand the frustration at the silly pay for some of these 'CEOs', I feel the same about them as I do soccer 'stars', mostly fairly talented all vastly overpaid. But it just isn't for the state to tell private individuals what they may or may not be paid. Name and shame, it's as simple as that.
No. I understand the frustration at the silly pay for some of these 'CEOs', I feel the same about them as I do soccer 'stars', mostly fairly talented all vastly overpaid. But it just isn't for the state to tell private individuals what they may or may not be paid. Name and shame, it's as simple as that.
Most footballers come from a working class background, they are simply brilliant at what they do. They earn millions for their clubs in gate and tv revenue and deservedly have a right to keep a slice of that revenue.
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You're trying to have your cake and eat it, many of the CEOs come from a working class background and are simply brilliant at what they do. And many CEOs are providing income for millions of pensioners and deservedly have a right to keep a slice of that revenue.
'Fraid that, on the evidence before us guv', you're just a bit of a reverse snob...
You're trying to have your cake and eat it, many of the CEOs come from a working class background and are simply brilliant at what they do. And many CEOs are providing income for millions of pensioners and deservedly have a right to keep a slice of that revenue.
'Fraid that, on the evidence before us guv', you're just a bit of a reverse snob...
Nothing stopping anyone becoming a footballer. I can't see a problem with the salaries they recieve. Other then jealousy, what reason has anyone got to question their income.
Therefore, I am baffled why you are promoting naming and shaming these individuals?
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The difference is most people want to go and see a Lionel Messi at "work". A CEO at his desk.......not much.
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Living (just about getting by) off of immoral earnings.
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Bet365 boss Denise Coates hits jackpot with £323m payday
Sum is highest amount paid to British company CEO and 2,000 times Boris Johnson’s salary
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Biggest single taxpayer in this country ,paid 165 million last yearLiving (just about getting by) off of immoral earnings.
Bet365 boss Denise Coates hits jackpot with £323m payday
Sum is highest amount paid to British company CEO and 2,000 times Boris Johnson’s salary
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Hmm... this is where I start sounding like a whinging lefty -
- but... she makes an awful lot of money from the misery of others.Hindsight
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Hmm... this is where I start sounding like a whinging lefty -
You a whinging lefty!! But see your point. Then again she and he family have worked hard, taken a few risks and done good. The Conservative and Republican dream.
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So is she good or bad. The moral maze. A question to deep for my intellect.
Cheers.
Not her problem ,could say the same about lawyers ? But she pays her full whack doesnt try to hide it ,doesnt put it off shore like a lot of others ,Hmm... this is where I start sounding like a whinging lefty -
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Some lawyers, perhaps, but certainly not in the same way. More accurate to say that they make money during miserable situations rather than actually initiating the misery.
When I first started studying law I spent some time with solicitors and Barristers in an effort to see as many fields of law as I could before deciding on my own future. Family Law was, without exception, depressing; the least-worst situation was an 'amicable' break up, but even that was the end of a family... the rest was just horrible - put me off if permanently.
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You could argue that the misery is self inflicted, or at least allowed to happen due to poor legislation.Hmm... this is where I start sounding like a whinging lefty -
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