Is the Government going to abandon conservation schemes ?

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

digger64 said:
Doesnt that depend what worth might be ?

Yes it does and I was thinking along the lines of wheat at circa £170 tonne and these field edges yielding no more than 70% of the centre of the field. If you are interested, or anyone else is, there was good research conducted at ADAS Boxworth in the early 90's into field margin profitability, at the time in response to compulsory set aside introduced in the Macsharry reforms, to guide farmers where best financially as well as environmentally to locate set aside. Field margins are not that profitable.

Best wishes,,

Agrivator · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
The word is that all conservation scheme land is to be ploughed this year in case of food shortages.
Tree planting schemes also cancelled.

In addition, I have it on good authority that all farmland is to be seized by the Government, and is to be allocated only to those farmers who can prove they voted Tory at the last election.

Sounds a sensible policy to me.

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

Agrivator said:
In addition, I have it on good authority that all farmland is to be seized by the Government, and is to be allocated only to those farmers who can prove they voted Tory at the last election.

Sounds a sensible policy to me.

Surely sir you mean voted Tory and Leave in 2016.

Werzle · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
Record areas of farmland going under trees right now in scotland

Best place for them!

digger64 · Mar 21, 2020

Hindsight said:
Certainly interesting times! Concurr Sterling is likely to devalue. How devalued against the US dollar, the Euro and Yuan will be interesting to see. However, as this is a world issue other significant agricultural countries with weaker currencies are likely to be affected. So Sterling may devalue, but I suggest the Brazilian Real, Argentinian Peso, Russian Rouble and Ukrainian whatever will be worth less. And thus our valueless Sterling may still be able to purchase same amount of Maize, Soya, Beef etc from those countries. Ironically Mr Trump my have to greatest problem with an overvalued US Dollar and farmers with tonnes of Maize and Soya with an over priced currency - will he dump it n the world market to appease farmers or shove it through ethanol plants - or will the US reflate its way out of the coming recession by protecting the shale gas and oil fields against the rest of the world.

Not necessarily if these countries cant afford or devalue our service based economy and tourism just ain't gonna be that good for a while , I don't think these commodity growing / manufacturing nations will take the hit that we will in our densely populated ,snow flake ridden small island the fact that so many can work from home just instantly says it all really - what are these people actually creating doing ? What happens if the Internet calapses ?

Anymulewilldo · Mar 21, 2020

Hindsight said:
Surely sir you mean voted Tory and Leave in 2016.

Damn. I voted Tory at the last election but remain in the referendum. Does that mean I can only hope for half of Cheshire instead of the full county? (Apart from the bit near Liverpool, who the hell wants that bit?!) plant trees on it!

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

digger64 said:
Not necessarily if these countries cant afford or devalue our service based economy and tourism just ain't gonna be that good for a while , I don't think these commodity growing / manufacturing nations will take the hit that we will in our densely populated ,snow flake ridden small island the fact that so many can work from home just instantly says it all really - what are these people actually creating doing ? What happens if the Internet calapses ?

Hi, well time will tell if the virus has less effect in these larger countries. I would not have a clue. It will be interesting to see what happens, assuming I survive the next 12 months. Best wishes, keep safe and I hope you are healthy.

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

Anymulewilldo said:
Damn. I voted Tory at the last election but remain in the referendum. Does that mean I can only hope for half of Cheshire instead of the full county? (Apart from the bit near Liverpool, who the hell wants that bit?!) plant trees on it!

No place in heaven for you sir, I am afraid. Leave voters only.

Anymulewilldo · Mar 21, 2020

Hindsight said:
No place in heaven for you sir, I am afraid. Leave voters only.

Damn, on the other hand. I'm probably no, certainly going to hell anyway! ? That was all sorted wayyy before the referendum was ever announced... ??

digger64 · Mar 21, 2020

Hindsight: said:
Yes it does and I was thinking along the lines of wheat at circa £170 tonne and these field edges yielding no more than 70% of the centre of the field. If you are interested, or anyone else is, there was good research conducted at ADAS Boxworth in the early 90's into field margin profitability, at the time in response to compulsory set aside introduced in the Macsharry reforms, to guide farmers where best financially as well as environmentally to locate set aside. Field margins are not that profitable.

Best wishes,,

From a practical point of view , the main reasons for this is shade , rabbits / deer, weeds and compaction due to machinery . These can all be managed or removed , depends on your priorities and machines have to turnround somewhere , I have seen big fields ploughed and drilled etc on a windmill basis along time ago now , but with today's auto steer / GPS perhaps something to think about .
I expect our more efficient competitors abroad would know already though . Whilst we have been busy filling our claims and mapping it all etc .

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

digger64 said:
Yes it does and I was thinking along the lines of wheat at circa £170 tonne and these field edges yielding no more than 70% of the centre of the field. If you are interested, or anyone else is, there was good research conducted at ADAS Boxworth in the early 90's into field margin profitability, at the time in response to compulsory set aside introduced in the Macsharry reforms, to guide farmers where best financially as well as environmentally to locate set aside. Field margins are not that profitable.

Best wishes,,

From a practical point of view , the main reasons for this is shade , rabbits / deer, weeds and compaction due to machinery . These can all be managed or removed , depends on your priorities and machines have to turnround somewhere , I have seen big fields ploughed and drilled etc on a windmill basis along time ago now , but with today's auto steer / GPS perhaps something to think about .
I expect our more efficient competitors abroad would know already though . Whilst we have been busy filling our claims and mapping it all etc .
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You identify the issues ADAS did all those years ago. Shade - OK so chop down all the trees and remove hedges? Rabbits / Deer - effective culling programme - poisoning. Or deer fence around your enlarged fields. Compaction - as you say machines have to turn somewhere, so have to enlarge fields into 1 km square, for example to significantly reduce percentage headland to inner part of field. Or maybe more modern way is Controlled Traffic. Holkham did experiment with aligning tramlines in field at angles to maximise crop area while reducing headland. Alternatively society chooses to eat the cereals, or a proportion of cereal directly so FCE of 1 rather than convert to an animal protein to eat, with chicken FCE of say 1.75, pig 2.25 and beef much greater.

peclova · Mar 21, 2020

digger64 said:
But wont most other countries in the western world be in a similar situation ?

Many countries will be in the same position, but unlike the UK then don't have the same blind desire to conduct business with the Chinese whatever the longer term consequences will be.

glasshouse · Mar 21, 2020

Hindsight said:
Yes it does and I was thinking along the lines of wheat at circa £170 tonne and these field edges yielding no more than 70% of the centre of the field. If you are interested, or anyone else is, there was good research conducted at ADAS Boxworth in the early 90's into field margin profitability, at the time in response to compulsory set aside introduced in the Macsharry reforms, to guide farmers where best financially as well as environmentally to locate set aside. Field margins are not that profitable.

Best wishes,,

I easnt referring to margins, i meant whole fields in strwardship

glasshouse · Mar 21, 2020

Agrivator said:
In addition, I have it on good authority that all farmland is to be seized by the Government, and is to be allocated only to those farmers who can prove they voted Tory at the last election.

Sounds a sensible policy to me.

Thats exactly how it worked before 1947

glasshouse · Mar 21, 2020

Hesston4860s said:
It’s the start of the NWO !.

Whats that

jondear · Mar 21, 2020

slim shiny said:
Just the job 6m of spuds around the edge of the wheat ?‍

What wheat ! Didn't think any was planted!

ajd132 · Mar 21, 2020

Banana Bar said:
I’m not sure if you’ll see another basic payment either the way they are having to spend. Maybe the end of cross compliance and farm for productivity again?

BB

Apart from a bit of stewardship aren’t you/we doing that anyway? Farm productivity in the the U.K. is on a downward trajectory because we use too many inputs for the output we get. Time to get these lecherous chemical distributors under the guise of agronomy companies gone.

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

ajd132 said:
Apart from a bit of stewardship aren’t you/we doing that anyway? Farm productivity in the the U.K. is on a downward trajectory because we use too many inputs for the output we get. Time to get these lecherous chemical distributors under the guise of agronomy companies gone.

Target the agchems as they are the easiest devil incarnate. But I suggest the major 'too many input' is machinery. Namely the farm structure where we have all these 'small' family farms with tractors, drills etc.

The comparison is Toyota. Rather than having one factory at Derby have fifty little factories all tooled differently. Reading the background bumpf to BPS to me it was clear government wants major farm restructuring. After all half the BPS claimants (45,000) claim less than 15k, in which case if these are 'viable' businesses they earn less than the minimum wage. I think from previous posts your business may provide a contract service to some of those. If that is the case then the benefits system is a more equitable payment method.

digger64 · Mar 21, 2020

Hindsight said:
From a practical point of view , the main reasons for this is shade , rabbits / deer, weeds and compaction due to machinery . These can all be managed or removed , depends on your priorities and machines have to turnround somewhere , I have seen big fields ploughed and drilled etc on a windmill basis along time ago now , but with today's auto steer / GPS perhaps something to think about .
I expect our more efficient competitors abroad would know already though . Whilst we have been busy filling our claims and mapping it all etc .

You identify the issues ADAS did all those years ago. Shade - OK so chop down all the trees and remove hedges? Rabbits / Deer - effective culling programme - poisoning. Or deer fence around your enlarged fields. Compaction - as you say machines have to turn somewhere, so have to enlarge fields into 1 km square, for example to significantly reduce percentage headland to inner part of field. Or maybe more modern way is Controlled Traffic. Holkham did experiment with aligning tramlines in field at angles to maximise crop area while reducing headland. Alternatively society chooses to eat the cereals, or a proportion of cereal directly so FCE of 1 rather than convert to an animal protein to eat, with chicken FCE of say 1.75, pig 2.25 and beef much greater.
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I think because I operate with a view to growing crops or feed to utilise on farm with limited area ( if I dont grow it it has to be bought or the demand reduced somehow ) rather than growing cash so one has to make the most of what one has and perhaps how one does it , an all arable situation means the overdraft and salaries etc is the demand to be satisfied so a smaller heap but with a bigger price could be ok hence their different way of thinking to mine and their apparent willingness not to use their land if they are compensated from an outside magical source .

4course · Mar 21, 2020

spin cycle said:
was thinking about all the malting barley around here......pubs shut and euro 2020 postponed.....who's gonna want beer

the mini supermarkets round here sold out last night cans or bottles and only the top end wines and a few bottles of the so called craft beers left and there was stacks of the stuff yesterday morning

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