Is the Government going to abandon conservation schemes ?

Happy · Mar 21, 2020

Meanwhile back in the real world not occupied by a @glasshouse ’s dreams............

Business as usual with BBC giving Chris Twatman a platform to spout off again.
Reporting today that he warns of Coronavirus impact on nature.

He says the outbreak could affect natural landscapes with nature reserves going unmaintained

glasshouse · Mar 21, 2020

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Hindsight said:
Target the agchems as they are the easiest devil incarnate. But I suggest the major 'too many input' is machinery. Namely the farm structure where we have all these 'small' family farms with tractors, drills etc.

The comparison is Toyota. Rather than having one factory at Derby have fifty little factories all tooled differently. Reading the background bumpf to BPS to me it was clear government wants major farm restructuring. After all half the BPS claimants (45,000) claim less than 15k, in which case if these are 'viable' businesses they earn less than the minimum wage. I think from previous posts your business may provide a contract service to some of those. If that is the case then the benefits system is a more equitable payment method.

perhaps if there were more family farms in england, there would more wheat planted this season where rubber tracks and big seeders couldnt travel.
The lack of home grown wheat in 2020 may yet prove serious

ajd132 · Mar 21, 2020

Hindsight said:
Target the agchems as they are the easiest devil incarnate. But I suggest the major 'too many input' is machinery. Namely the farm structure where we have all these 'small' family farms with tractors, drills etc.

The comparison is Toyota. Rather than having one factory at Derby have fifty little factories all tooled differently. Reading the background bumpf to BPS to me it was clear government wants major farm restructuring. After all half the BPS claimants (45,000) claim less than 15k, in which case if these are 'viable' businesses they earn less than the minimum wage. I think from previous posts your business may provide a contract service to some of those. If that is the case then the benefits system is a more equitable payment method.

There is probably enough machinery in this country do to 4 times the area currently done

yellow belly · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
Perhaps if t

perhaps if there were more family farms in england, there would more wheat planted this season where rubber tracks and big seeders couldnt travel.
The lack of home grown wheat in 2020 may yet prove serious

round here the family farms have no more viable crops than the large estates
the sensible farmers on heavy land did not try to maul it in

soil types that take more than 3 days to dry out that got planted are in a worse state than those not touched
a lot of mauled in crops will not make harvest

yellow belly · Mar 21, 2020

ajd132 said:
There is probably enough machinery in this country do to 4 times the area currently done

the only way to get planted last autumn was to start 0n the 10 septenber
after 23 September it was too wet to plant on heavy land and it rained ever other day till Christmas

digger64 · Mar 21, 2020

hasn't 32 said:
There is probably enough machinery in this country do to 4 times the area currently done

But it hasnt been done though has it ?

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

digger64 said:
But it hasnt been done though has it ?

What hasn't been done? (I think I may know what you mean but clarification of what you mean by the word 'it')

digger64 · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
Perhaps if t

perhaps if there were more family farms in england, there would more wheat planted this season where rubber tracks and big seeders couldnt travel.
The lack of home grown wheat in 2020 may yet prove serious

My contractor has been busy last week - lifting beet with an old 3 row tanker , two big" efficient "machines given up after several repeated attempts .

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
Perhaps if t

perhaps if there were more family farms in england, there would more wheat planted this season where rubber tracks and big seeders couldnt travel.
The lack of home grown wheat in 2020 may yet prove serious

Locally given the exceptional autumn rain if more seeding had occurred there would be even more failed wheat requiring redrilling.

digger64 · Mar 21, 2020

Hihaven't t said:
What hasn't been done? (I think I may know what you mean but clarification of what you mean by the word 'it')

The crops havent been planted ,

britt · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
Perhaps if t

perhaps if there were more family farms in england, there would more wheat planted this season where rubber tracks and big seeders couldnt travel.
The lack of home grown wheat in 2020 may yet prove serious

It's those with rubber tracks that got most planted around here, but much of it failed due to the wet. They now have damaged soils to sort out and little or no crop to cover costs.

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

digger64 said:
The crops havent been planted ,

I assumed that was what you meant. And in post #69 I have replied as has Yellow Belly in post #64 and #65. Conditions may have been different where you are. But here pretty much all autumn drilled wheat has failed. Thus if more small farms had drilled it would have failed. Last autumn in Lincolnshire the correct action (with hindsight but actually at the time if one thought long and hard) was to not sow. However, several farmers did sow and they have regretted it. The management decision was not all down to machine size or availability but the opinion and judgement of the individual farmer.

glasshouse · Mar 21, 2020

britt said:
It's those with rubber tracks that got most planted around here, but much of it failed due to the wet. They now have damaged soils to sort out and little or no crop to cover costs.

Perhaps If they had been ploughed they would have stood the wet better

glasshouse · Mar 21, 2020

If there were no big estates ranching the land, perhaps blackgrass would not be the problem it is and early drilling could proceed?

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
If they had been ploughed they would have stood the wet better

Not necessarily. Here in South Lincs there is ploughed land which lies with water in the furrows. And there is land worked 10cm deep which is getting to stage of sowing where we can cut the seed in with vaderstad - I may in a few minutes post some pictures taken yesterday of wheat slotted in early March. Ploughed land will require so much power input with power harrows etc. I know you will disagree because you always do - you are such fun!!

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
If there were no big estates ranching the land, perhaps blackgrass would not be the problem it is and early drilling could proceed?

I work with a number of farmers large and small. I have several 300 acre family farms who just love to plough and cultivate (proper farming as they tell me) and I can assure you they have bakcgrass and often worse than my large farms where we practice min till and direct drilling with a varied rotation. Stick to Scotland as blackgrass simply less of an issue up north.

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
early drilling could proceed?

This phrase just indicates you really do not understand the epidemiology blackgrass. Hey ho.

glasshouse · Mar 21, 2020

Hindsight said:
Not necessarily. Here in South Lincs there is ploughed land which lies with water in the furrows. And there is land worked 10cm deep which is getting to stage of sowing where we can cut the seed in with vaderstad - I may in a few minutes post some pictures taken yesterday of wheat slotted in early March. Ploughed land will require so much power input with power harrows etc. I know you will disagree because you always do - you are such fun!!

I know?

Hindsight · Mar 21, 2020

glasshouse said:
I know?

I have concluded you middle name is 'Contrary' Enjoy.

glasshouse · Mar 21, 2020

Hindsight said:
This phrase just indicates you really do not understand the epidemiology blackgrass. Hey ho.

No blackgrass means you can drill when u want according to all the experts does it not

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