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spin cycle

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Location
north norfolk
They would have a job stopping me seeing my Girlfriend after all the depressing stuff talked about on here tonight,seems us farmers are doomed, must be many 1000s of hogs going to blow serious money,if you had anything for £80 or less over the last 2 months you had done very well,by the way I am happily married so no need to travel

does you wife mind you having a girlfriend :scratchhead:
 
Location
Devon
They would have a job stopping me seeing my Girlfriend after all the depressing stuff talked about on here tonight,seems us farmers are doomed, must be many 1000s of hogs going to blow serious money,if you had anything for £80 or less over the last 2 months you had done very well,by the way I am happily married so no need to travel

Ha ha you only said that about being happily married as the wife reads this thread:ROFLMAO:

Anything can happen, Exports might be difficult now but in 2/3 weeks the French etc will be running out of sheep meat if they don't restart imports before very long.

Unlikely we will see the trade of say 2 weeks ago again for a while but very possible that the lamb/hogg trade could jump £10/15 head in 2/3 weeks time.

Will certainly be less ewe hogs sent for the line for starters and grass has literally disappeared overnight with these very cold/ harsh north east winds and with so much uncertainity and current low spring lamb price there is no incentive for the feeders to go out and these lambs to be pushed so supply could be a bit tighter than expected in a few weeks time.
 

LAMBCHOPS

Member
It is interesting to see the comments on here on what we should do to help ourselves and reduce the control of the supermarkets.

Most of the comments on here are critical of the large (mostly Irish controlled) abattoirs who control the price of most meat and while they are not exactly monopolies they are more or less a cartel. There is a lesson to be learnt here and I will explain what we do to partly reduce the risks of getting shafted.

Anyone who thinks we should set up a new small abattoir can forget it, quickest way to lose a fortune!!

Some 35 years ago I started to supply a local butcher with 2 lambs a week, we still supply that butcher but now around 20 a week for 50 weeks of the year. We also supply two more butchers and a local wholesaler and now directly supply 2,000 plus a year. We are so busy at the moment that our only local abattoir is struggling to keep up with demand and I have orders for the next 2 weeks of over 150 hoggets. I have told them the price will be at least £4.80. We are in danger of running out as they mostly want 19 to 23 kg max. The heavies we will probably put through the market.
We lost the last large abattoir in the south east in 2001 after FMD (Invicta Lamb), we also lost all but two markets and only one that is of any size at Ashford remains. I cannot fault the auctioneers there and the comments knocking auctioneers do not apply down here. Yes they do not get the highest prices for stock but they ensure they always get paid! We only have the small ethnic or export supply abattoirs around London.

Where I am fortunate is that I just supply whole carcasses, yet the supermarkets mostly only want pre packs of cuts. The largest growth area we have is now "Farm Drop" through one of the butchers I supply, he has had to limit their supply to 30 lambs a week, I am sure this outlet will go from strength to strength after this is all sorted out. It is a lot of work for him, but because it is all on line he can adjust what he has in stock to the demand. But it does reduce waste and the pricing is on par with Waitrose.
The most difficult part of this type of business is we need to have enough lambs/hoggets that are ready at the weights they demand almost 52 weeks of the year. We only lamb March and April, but I do buy some stores as well.

I appreciate not everyone can do this but through small Co-ops it could be done. You do have to give a fair bit of credit and it is not for the faint hearted. I have just taken on a new butcher a month a go and once again started with 2 hoggets, next week wants 5!!
Excellent business although perhaps you are not one of the 2500 shareholders of Farmers Fresh as you say you would lose a fortune with an abbatoir ??. Thats not reflected in the six fold increase in share value and their important export business via 2 farmer led plants which underpins indirectly the whole lamb industry in Uk. What you do can also be replicated across the UK and should be held up as a model for our ever changing marketing needs
 

Smith31

Member
Excellent business although perhaps you are not one of the 2500 shareholders of Farmers Fresh as you say you would lose a fortune with an abbatoir ??. Thats not reflected in the six fold increase in share value and their important export business via 2 farmer led plants which underpins indirectly the whole lamb industry in Uk. What you do can also be replicated across the UK and should be held up as a model for our ever changing marketing needs

This is in no way a criticism but do the 2500 shareholders receive a premium over mart prices for their sheep? If they don't then what benefit is it to the farmers.

Share prices in meat plants can tumble at anytime all it takes is one or two bad debts. So Frank does has a valid point, it is an extremely risky business.
 

LAMBCHOPS

Member
This is in no way a criticism but do the 2500 shareholders receive a premium over mart prices for their sheep? If they don't then what benefit is it to the farmers.

Share prices in meat plants can tumble at anytime all it takes is one or two bad debts. So Frank does has a valid point, it is an extremely risky business.
Every lamb producer even if not shareholder benefits as Farmers Fresh are the product of Farmers Ferry identified as a means to get the meat out of the country via export. Smack bang between the eyes no export this week lamb down 25 pound a head == its a no brainer and about time the lamb producers realised they need to invest further up the line. Shares are one thing taking the product out of the hands of the few is more important thats why what happened this week will/should? see changes when this all settles
 

@dlm

Member
I agree, depending on the genetics of course. Progeny of big Tups on big ewes, fed all winter, will certainly get some size on them, and likely still need to go on hoppers to get them finished.
It still doesn’t make them in spec, or what any of the retailers want.
then again progency of cheaply bought big tups on fairly cheaply bought big ewe lambs that turn into big ewes, can be killed last year over 100 quid average with no hoppers involved, and no hard feed to those big ewes, which then sold to average 135 as 6 tooths after being bought at 92 quid as lambs. Which were lambed obviously. Big strong stuff that doesnt lose its wool isnt all bad
 

@dlm

Member
TBH I'd still rather have my hoggs here, than looking at early lambs motoring on creep, after having to feed their mothers aswell.
agree, but there are systems where if you dont overstock the ewes are fed no hay/age, no cake, lambed mid late feb with no cake pre or post lambing, yes energy licks pre lambing to average 2.90 a ewe and lambs sold at 12 weeks to average 104.40. To be fair we reseed regularly which is a big cost, but no fert now, limited labour ,well none, so no lambs over winter is bliss. Allows no extra feeding of ewes to maximise profits, keep ewes for 1/2 years less to avoid twin lamb issue with no feeding, yet sell to a premium as in many peoples eyes they are young ewes. Couldnt be bothered personally to keep a lamb 9 months longer to either make 20 quid more or 20 quid less. Appreciate every system different in farming but a lamb around 110 at towards 11 months old is too hard a work, when adding expense on keeping ewe, possibly feeding ewes for breeding, feeding hoggs themselves....
 

@dlm

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If you really think you can lock down an entire country leaving people with no money + shutting down all the company's and their suppliers down that supply vital inputs to the food sector and it doesn't reduce food supply a few weeks later you live in cloud cuckoo land.

UK will be in the same boat in 6/7 weeks time I can assure you if we carry on with this farce of a lockdown and don't get the country back working as already no end of direct and indirect suppliers to the AG industry are shutting up shop, parts for some machines you cannot get already and if we and other country's carry on with these full on lockdowns for long that will get much worse in 4/5 weeks, some tractor makers are already saying that once the parts they have in the UK are used up that will be it and at best they reckon they have 2 months of supply of parts.

And how are people locked in their homes with no income and no help from the state for at least 3+ months let alone the ones that will get no help at all from the government supposed to buy food??
No income and no money? Last year i think 72 million trips taken or there abouts by uk citizens for foreign travel/ holidays, i think over 15 million, so a quarter of uk population, subscribed to nettflix sky tv etc, around 90% of 20 to 30 year olds, 85% 31 to 50 year olds had smart phone. People may have no money but they chose how to spend it. I didnt panic buy, im not a millionaire tycoon but ive a few tins of oxtail soup in pantry, i was taught to not spend what you cant afford. Theres a silly stat like 40 %, im guessing, spend 9 months repaying the christmas borrowings. Is it the governments fault folks have no money? I could buy a new car, fancy holiday, new tv phone and kitchen that i cant afford,, do i deserve sympathy that i have no money for a few months? If one good thing comes of this awful situation, is a hope of realism, better balance and good nature. Nice ex nhs and police manned up straight away to help, great some good nature seen in neighbours and communities helping elderly that are restricted, and hopefully nurses, doctors, teachers, farmers, see a better reflection of income in balance to bankers, traders, IT specialists, crap times should make people realise what is essential
 

@dlm

Member
Its not shite its what they are telling everyone ( and yes I hope they are wrong )

And the UK is certainly under lockdown, to claim anything else is a nonsense!

You cannot even visit your girl friend/ fiancé or even put cheques in the bank so if things like that are not controlling what you can/cannot do then words fail me and no goverement in 1000 years has banned people from seeing people they are dating/ going to bank/ seeing family/ going 10 miles for a walk etc until now.
Probably true, the governments didnt do this during the spanish flu around 100 years ago. Good on them they allowed people to visit family and people they were dating, going to bank and allowed a 10 minutes walk, shame the world lost around , was it 30/50 million, i apologise i dont know, and obviously the worlds population was a fraction of today.
 
Location
Devon
No income and no money? Last year i think 72 million trips taken or there abouts by uk citizens for foreign travel/ holidays, i think over 15 million, so a quarter of uk population, subscribed to nettflix sky tv etc, around 90% of 20 to 30 year olds, 85% 31 to 50 year olds had smart phone. People may have no money but they chose how to spend it. I didnt panic buy, im not a millionaire tycoon but ive a few tins of oxtail soup in pantry, i was taught to not spend what you cant afford. Theres a silly stat like 40 %, im guessing, spend 9 months repaying the christmas borrowings. Is it the governments fault folks have no money? I could buy a new car, fancy holiday, new tv phone and kitchen that i cant afford,, do i deserve sympathy that i have no money for a few months? If one good thing comes of this awful situation, is a hope of realism, better balance and good nature. Nice ex nhs and police manned up straight away to help, great some good nature seen in neighbours and communities helping elderly that are restricted, and hopefully nurses, doctors, teachers, farmers, see a better reflection of income in balance to bankers, traders, IT specialists, crap times should make people realise what is essential

They are now saying it will get even stricter.

And will carry on until at least June.

There wont be any businesses or jobs left by then, supplies to key sectors will run out if it carry's on that long.

And if it carry's on for that long the beef and sheep prices will be 50% lower than what they are today.
 

Boydvalley

Member
Location
Bath
They are now saying it will get even stricter.

And will carry on until at least June.

There wont be any businesses or jobs left by then, supplies to key sectors will run out if it carry's on that long.

And if it carry's on for that long the beef and sheep prices will be 50% lower than what they are today.
I take it coronavirus has not touched your part of the world. I have had it and I assure you that even being a fit late 50s it was not a pleasant experience and I can see how somebody with underlying problems would be in serious trouble.
There are going to be stricter rules because people are not doing what they’re supposed to.
You complaining that you cannot carry on your life as normal does not help The cause.
 

Shebb90

Member
Location
Devon
They are now saying it will get even stricter.

And will carry on until at least June.

There wont be any businesses or jobs left by then, supplies to key sectors will run out if it carry's on that long.

And if it carry's on for that long the beef and sheep prices will be 50% lower than what they are today.
Harvest break downs could be interesting this year
 

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