Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

Northeastfarmer · Mar 30, 2020

spin cycle said:
is £1-80 lwt roughly £4/kg dwt?

A good hogg will do 50 % will it not..

gone up the hill · Mar 30, 2020

Just been on the phone to a large scale chicken farmer.

He has two sheds that should go this week and has been told today by his buyer that they cannot take them and have no idea when they will go as there is currently NO demand for chicken meat!

Yet the supermarket shelves are empty of chicken meat....

Smith31 · Mar 30, 2020

livestock 1 said:
You seem to contradict yourself continuously on here which doesn’t help your cause.
Auctions that aren’t open for businesshave rang round to place these sheep and cannot place them that’s why they remain closed. Then you say it’s not worth the risk of sending a buyer because the numbers are too low. Then you say your customers don’t want anything until Thursday because their chillers are full. Please make your bloody mind up! The riddles you speak replicates the same stories the auctioneers are telling me.
You then make this assumption that farmers don’t want to enter the auctions to see and oversee their stock sold and subsequent income. I haven’t heard any of this from any vendor. But there you go what do I know!

Some farmers on here are constantly on their periods, if anyone makes a factual remark it is taken as anti farming.

1) We along with every other abattoir I know buy a few days ahead to allow carcasses to chill. So there is no contradiction maybe speak to your local butchers who will confirm this!

2) It costs over £500 a day to run a livestock wagon, we can not afford to send a buyer, wagon and lorry to collect 30 hoggs and 2 cattle from a mart. Hence we need the numbers to increase. But I appreciate numbers may not increase and we will have to buy direct.

3) Most wholesalers had consistent meat orders we all knew what we needed. However, now that the catering and export trades have almost shut down we are guessing what we will need day to day. The situation is unique.

4) We are not short of stock, as we have numerous farmers who are more then happy to supply direct. I have had phone calls from farmers mostly over 60 who are not willing to risk their health and
as a result, we will be sending a wagon to collect from their farms.

I simply convey what I see day to day if you believe that hoggs should be £250 and ewes £200 then I agree, but if the demand is not there it's not my fault.

Raider112 · Mar 30, 2020

They tell us there's no demand so we keep our sheep at home and the auctions cancel sales, then they say where are the sheep? Maybe farmers have finally wised up to these games.

Werzle · Mar 30, 2020

Northeastfarmer said:
Well said

Bloody well said

cattleman123 · Mar 30, 2020

gone up the hill said:
Just been on the phone to a large scale chicken farmer.

He has two sheds that should go this week and has been told today by his buyer that they cannot take them and have no idea when they will go as there is currently NO demand for chicken meat!

Yet the supermarket shelves are empty of chicken meat....

Hooks?

Wooly · Mar 30, 2020

Prices are not stacking up.

Supermarket shelves are empty of meat and dairy produce.

Local butchers are selling a huge amount. (Our local butcher has gone from 2 cattle to 5 cattle per week)

Google search meat boxes and every website has sold out or are only deliverying to excisting customers.

Yet the prices keep going down.............. since the monopolies commission dropped Supermarkets from buying as a cartel !

We are being ripped of .........again.

Yes, there is NZ lamb coming into the UK............... but the same as every Easter.

Werzle · Mar 30, 2020

Smith31 said:
Some farmers on here are constantly on their periods, if anyone makes a factual remark it is taken as anti farming.

1) We along with every other abattoir I know buy a few days ahead to allow carcasses to chill. So there is no contradiction maybe speak to your local butchers who will confirm this!

2) It costs over £500 a day to run a livestock wagon, we can not afford to send a buyer, wagon and lorry to collect 30 hoggs and 2 cattle from a mart. Hence we need the numbers to increase. But I appreciate numbers may not increase and we will have to buy direct.

3) Most wholesalers had consistent meat orders we all knew what we needed. However, now that the catering and export trades have almost shut down we are guessing what we will need day to day. The situation is unique.

4) We are not short of stock, as we have numerous farmers who are more then happy to supply direct. I have had phone calls from farmers mostly over 60 who are not willing to risk their health and
as a result, we will be sending a wagon to collect from their farms.

I simply convey what I see day to day if you believe that hoggs should be £250 and ewes £200 then I agree, but if the demand is not there it's not my fault.

There always seems endless excuses for giving low prices. When you boys have nothing to kill you will only have yourselves to blame.

LAMBCHOPS · Mar 30, 2020

gone up the hill said:
Just been on the phone to a large scale chicken farmer.

He has two sheds that should go this week and has been told today by his buyer that they cannot take them and have no idea when they will go as there is currently NO demand for chicken meat!

Yet the supermarket shelves are empty of chicken meat....

Well it seems they are all jumping in on it. Its not being stocked is it . My local outlet has run out of chicken and beef burgers. I would say this will end up at the Commons Select Committee one day

tommy tucker · Mar 30, 2020

Cattle at York today were not exciting, Bulls down by around 6p on the whole but really big bulls down by more like 15p. Butchers heifers were probably a penny or two easier but all other clean were down by 15 p at least.

livestock 1 · Mar 30, 2020

Smith31 said:
Some farmers on here are constantly on their periods, if anyone makes a factual remark it is taken as anti farming.

1) We along with every other abattoir I know buy a few days ahead to allow carcasses to chill. So there is no contradiction maybe speak to your local butchers who will confirm this!

2) It costs over £500 a day to run a livestock wagon, we can not afford to send a buyer, wagon and lorry to collect 30 hoggs and 2 cattle from a mart. Hence we need the numbers to increase. But I appreciate numbers may not increase and we will have to buy direct.

3) Most wholesalers had consistent meat orders we all knew what we needed. However, now that the catering and export trades have almost shut down we are guessing what we will need day to day. The situation is unique.

4) We are not short of stock, as we have numerous farmers who are more then happy to supply direct. I have had phone calls from farmers mostly over 60 who are not willing to risk their health and
as a result, we will be sending a wagon to collect from their farms.

I simply convey what I see day to day if you believe that hoggs should be £250 and ewes £200 then I agree, but if the demand is not there it's not my fault.

The problem that I have with you is if I agree with you contradicting yourself constantly, then that makes me look as bigger idiot as you are for saying it in the first place!
When did I tell you that hoggs should be £250 and ewes £200?
Why haven’t you answered the question about there being no demand and chillers being full then saying it’s not worth the risk to send a buyer because the numbers aren’t there?
Do you know how prime auctions work? Do you know the roll of a good prime market auctioneer? Do you understand about the role they play of placing these sheep? We are all ears.

spin cycle · Mar 30, 2020

Northeastfarmer said:
A good hogg will do 50 % will it not..

possibly....but thats not what i asked....i mean if lwt is £1-80 that'd be £3-60 dwt.....but dwt seems to £4kg :scratchhead:

Northeastfarmer · Mar 30, 2020

spin cycle said:
possibly....but thats not what i asked....i mean if lwt is £1-80 that'd be £3-60 dwt.....but dwt seems to £4kg

well you know what to do then...

Northern territory · Mar 30, 2020

Smith31 said:
Some farmers on here are constantly on their periods, if anyone makes a factual remark it is taken as anti farming.

1) We along with every other abattoir I know buy a few days ahead to allow carcasses to chill. So there is no contradiction maybe speak to your local butchers who will confirm this!

2) It costs over £500 a day to run a livestock wagon, we can not afford to send a buyer, wagon and lorry to collect 30 hoggs and 2 cattle from a mart. Hence we need the numbers to increase. But I appreciate numbers may not increase and we will have to buy direct.

3) Most wholesalers had consistent meat orders we all knew what we needed. However, now that the catering and export trades have almost shut down we are guessing what we will need day to day. The situation is unique.

4) We are not short of stock, as we have numerous farmers who are more then happy to supply direct. I have had phone calls from farmers mostly over 60 who are not willing to risk their health and
as a result, we will be sending a wagon to collect from their farms.

I simply convey what I see day to day if you believe that hoggs should be £250 and ewes £200 then I agree, but if the demand is not there it's not my fault.

livestock 1 said:
The problem that I have with you is if I agree with you contradicting yourself constantly, then that makes me look as bigger idiot as you are for saying it in the first place!
When did I tell you that hoggs should be £250 and ewes £200?
Why haven’t you answered the question about there being no demand and chillers being full then saying it’s not worth the risk to send a buyer because the numbers aren’t there?
Do you know how prime auctions work? Do you know the roll of a good prime market auctioneer? Do you understand about the role they play of placing these sheep? We are all ears.

i think even if Hoggs had been 80 quid or similar all season nobody would be that bothered, but to nosedive like they have doesn’t seem to stack up. Yes some saw what was coming and went mad for them in the case of cull ewes. But that McDonald’s announcement seemed to be the invitation to drop us in it.

spin cycle · Mar 30, 2020

Northeastfarmer said:
well you know what to do then...

feck you're an awkward bugger sometimes

Smith31 · Mar 30, 2020

Northern territory said:
i think even if Hoggs had been 80 quid or similar all season nobody would be that bothered, but to nosedive like they have doesn’t seem to stack up. Yes some saw what was coming and went mad for them in the case of cull ewes. But that McDonald’s announcement seemed to be the invitation to drop us in it.

We killed 600 last wednesday we will be shut this wednesday. Alot of abattoirs have closed or gone on to less days. What we have in the chillers and what we have coming direct tomorrow will do us.

Benr · Mar 30, 2020

Werzle said:
There always seems endless excuses for giving low prices. When you boys have nothing to kill you will only have yourselves to blame.

If we end up selling our January born lambs for less than £95 we won’t be keeping sheep again next year. Having spent the last 2 months in the wind and rain having problem after problem in the sh1t and mud there is no way we can be selling them for any less.

Skintagain · Mar 30, 2020

livestock 1 said:
I have a fair lot of hoggs here but less than usual which I had thought was a wrong decision 700 ish. We will pull more gimmers out to keep if the trade is bad and cull harder at the other end. If trade is reasonable then we will sell as normal which is probably the most likely outcome here not because the price is likely to be good but because we don’t really expect to get a fortune for them in any case. There won’t be a fantastic amount of hoggs kept over due to dear store prices and recent poor returns apart from the big Hogg dealers. They keep bigger numbers each year and some have in the high tens of thousands of them. However they are still moving them. I didn’t buy any i just have what I couldn’t shift easily as stores.

That's about where I am at prioritised getting rid of the wethers. Thought I only have gimmer Hoggs left but I spotted one peeing from its belly other day so I fear we have had a few escapees.......

cattleman123 · Mar 30, 2020

Benr said:
If we end up selling our January born lambs for less than £95 we won’t be keeping sheep again next year. Having spent the last 2 months in the wind and rain having problem after problem in the sh1t and mud there is no way we can be selling them for any less.

I think that's what makes it hurt even more we have all worked in rain wind and mud all winter,i had leggings on every single day,and now we get shafted

lloyd · Mar 30, 2020

Smith31 said:
Some farmers on here are constantly on their periods, if anyone makes a factual remark it is taken as anti farming.

1) We along with every other abattoir I know buy a few days ahead to allow carcasses to chill. So there is no contradiction maybe speak to your local butchers who will confirm this!

2) It costs over £500 a day to run a livestock wagon, we can not afford to send a buyer, wagon and lorry to collect 30 hoggs and 2 cattle from a mart. Hence we need the numbers to increase. But I appreciate numbers may not increase and we will have to buy direct.

3) Most wholesalers had consistent meat orders we all knew what we needed. However, now that the catering and export trades have almost shut down we are guessing what we will need day to day. The situation is unique.

4) We are not short of stock, as we have numerous farmers who are more then happy to supply direct. I have had phone calls from farmers mostly over 60 who are not willing to risk their health and
as a result, we will be sending a wagon to collect from their farms.

I simply convey what I see day to day if you believe that hoggs should be £250 and ewes £200 then I agree, but if the demand is not there it's not my fault.

I dont think any farmers believe hoggs should be £250 anymore than they should be £70 .
Somewhere in the middle would be just fine.

Look if there is no domestic demand and we rely soley on exports to back the trade
then no one with an ounce of intelligence will bother with sheep if the Brexit deal turns sour.
Too many older farmers carried on doing the same as the last generation as alternative
options were limited. Not the case nowadays thank God.
I have no axe to grind as I'm down to my last 100 hoggs and sold most of my cull ewes
but find these cat and mouse games pathetic.
Not long ago the big retailer caught up in the horsegate scandal put out adverts in national
papers portraying how it backed British farmers .
Roll on a few years and they are bringing in NZ lamb in quantity to wreck the Easter trade.
Farmers need to wake up and work together and not sign contracts with the processors
who supply these two faced retailers.

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