Covid-19 It’s home! Made us think yesterday.

Ivorbiggun

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Location
Norfolk
Be interesting given the forecast for the weekend as how many people will be out and about.
also testing is ok but then you have to do it all again in a couple of days.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
The way of the world nowadays, plenty in twenties, married, couple of kids, big house, flash cars & everything on the drip.
Plenty running about in flashy Range Rover with the tank filled with cherry.
How many on this forum are living on inherited wealth by this i mean living in farmhouses inherited from their family or farming land that has been in the family for years even if people have expanded a smallish farm is a good start. Try saving up to start your own farming business today by the time you have saved enough everything will probably have passed you by. For sure people buy on credit but it is the way of the world it's why both parents are out at work as long as the money is coming in its all good and there's nothing wrong with that. No one really expected this or the response of the world governments. I would never buy household items on credit or hp but i borrow money for machinery. I worked for a year in the states the world's biggest economy and everything was bought on credit every year the farmers would spend their profits then head to the bank for a planting loan. It's a system that generally works well. If you are a farmer and can go out on the land you farm everyday you are very lucky but think about those who don't have this trapped in towns in flats or small houses with mounting debts and don't sneer but be thankful for the fact that your life is going on much as before
 

ARW

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Location
Yorkshire
How many on this forum are living on inherited wealth by this i mean living in farmhouses inherited from their family or farming land that has been in the family for years even if people have expanded a smallish farm is a good start. Try saving up to start your own farming business today by the time you have saved enough everything will probably have passed you by. For sure people buy on credit but it is the way of the world it's why both parents are out at work as long as the money is coming in its all good and there's nothing wrong with that. No one really expected this or the response of the world governments. I would never buy household items on credit or hp but i borrow money for machinery. I worked for a year in the states the world's biggest economy and everything was bought on credit every year the farmers would spend their profits then head to the bank for a planting loan. It's a system that generally works well. If you are a farmer and can go out on the land you farm everyday you are very lucky but think about those who don't have this trapped in towns in flats or small houses with mounting debts and don't sneer but be thankful for the fact that your life is going on much as before
I do agree, I’m not rich, we just get by but I know people who leave uni with huge student loans, get a job, buy a new car on tick, 5% deposit mortgage and live on credit cards, all monthly income gone on dd. Then when they want a holiday they get a loan!
Each to there own but there nothing left for a rainy day
 

Johnnyboxer

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Location
Yorkshire
How many on this forum are living on inherited wealth by this i mean living in farmhouses inherited from their family or farming land that has been in the family for years even if people have expanded a smallish farm is a good start. Try saving up to start your own farming business today by the time you have saved enough everything will probably have passed you by. For sure people buy on credit but it is the way of the world it's why both parents are out at work as long as the money is coming in its all good and there's nothing wrong with that. No one really expected this or the response of the world governments. I would never buy household items on credit or hp but i borrow money for machinery. I worked for a year in the states the world's biggest economy and everything was bought on credit every year the farmers would spend their profits then head to the bank for a planting loan. It's a system that generally works well. If you are a farmer and can go out on the land you farm everyday you are very lucky but think about those who don't have this trapped in towns in flats or small houses with mounting debts and don't sneer but be thankful for the fact that your life is going on much as before

All very true
 

Scribus

Member
Location
Central Atlantic
Be interesting given the forecast for the weekend as how many people will be out and about.
also testing is ok but then you have to do it all again in a couple of days.
Heard via a mutual friend of a counsellor who supports the families of alcoholics that there are many desperate spouses and partners out there trying to shield kids from abusive and drunken fathers while shut in the house. Who here would blame them for getting them out of the home if the alternative is more domestic violence?

Imposing home imprisonment is nowhere near as easy or simplistic and many fondly imagine.
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Heard via a mutual friend of a counsellor who supports the families of alcoholics that there are many desperate spouses and partners out there trying to shield kids from abusive and drunken fathers while shut in the house. Who here would blame them for getting them out of the home if the alternative is more domestic violence?

Imposing home imprisonment is nowhere near as easy or simplistic and many fondly imagine.
There’s only one thing for it then......close the Guinness brewery.:unsure:
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
How many on this forum are living on inherited wealth by this i mean living in farmhouses inherited from their family or farming land that has been in the family for years even if people have expanded a smallish farm is a good start. Try saving up to start your own farming business today by the time you have saved enough everything will probably have passed you by. For sure people buy on credit but it is the way of the world it's why both parents are out at work as long as the money is coming in its all good and there's nothing wrong with that. No one really expected this or the response of the world governments. I would never buy household items on credit or hp but i borrow money for machinery. I worked for a year in the states the world's biggest economy and everything was bought on credit every year the farmers would spend their profits then head to the bank for a planting loan. It's a system that generally works well. If you are a farmer and can go out on the land you farm everyday you are very lucky but think about those who don't have this trapped in towns in flats or small houses with mounting debts and don't sneer but be thankful for the fact that your life is going on much as before
Who is sneering
Everyone i know is worried sick so far from life going on as normal
 
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Sharpy

Member
Livestock Farmer
How many on this forum are living on inherited wealth by this i mean living in farmhouses inherited from their family or farming land that has been in the family for years even if people have expanded a smallish farm is a good start. Try saving up to start your own farming business today by the time you have saved enough everything will probably have passed you by. For sure people buy on credit but it is the way of the world it's why both parents are out at work as long as the money is coming in its all good and there's nothing wrong with that. No one really expected this or the response of the world governments. I would never buy household items on credit or hp but i borrow money for machinery. I worked for a year in the states the world's biggest economy and everything was bought on credit every year the farmers would spend their profits then head to the bank for a planting loan. It's a system that generally works well. If you are a farmer and can go out on the land you farm everyday you are very lucky but think about those who don't have this trapped in towns in flats or small houses with mounting debts and don't sneer but be thankful for the fact that your life is going on much as before
The time value of money is often overlooked by those that have sufficient.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
The time value of money is often overlooked by those that have sufficient.
I know people who are worth millions on paper and they aint got time to pass the time of day , i also know a guy who lives in a park with not much more than the clothes he wears . I was visiting him every week for a chat and see if he needed anything until this dreadful thing started , i have tried to persuade him to move into housing but hes having none of it , he said he could not handle the stess of money and modern life ,
 

Sharpy

Member
Livestock Farmer
I know people who are worth millions on paper and they aint got time to pass the time of day , i also know a guy who lives in a park with not much more than the clothes he wears . I was visiting him every week for a chat and see if he needed anything until this dreadful thing started , i have tried to persuade him to move into housing but hes having none of it , he said he could not handle the stess of money and modern life ,
I know what you mean, but what I was meaning was sometimes you need money now to seize an opportunity, not in ten years time when you have managed to save it only to find inflation has pushed the cost out of reach again.
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Heard via a mutual friend of a counsellor who supports the families of alcoholics that there are many desperate spouses and partners out there trying to shield kids from abusive and drunken fathers while shut in the house. Who here would blame them for getting them out of the home if the alternative is more domestic violence?

Imposing home imprisonment is nowhere near as easy or simplistic and many fondly imagine.

Use common sense. They had to come up with one simple quick effective rule. There are exceptions that can be made. They didn’t have time or resource to write hundreds of pages of exemptions. They left that down to common sense and discretion.
The spirit of it is don’t mix with other people unless it’s absolutely essential.
I repeat, this alarmist talk of total lockdown only spreads fear and does nobody any favours.
So if a builder is fitting a garage door and not meeting anybody then I can’t see a problem. If somebody is organising a street party then it’s not very wise.
You talk of a police state yet you are the one who pedantically portrays the “rules” as absolute. They are not.
 

tepapa

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
It would be a different kettle of fish is the lock down meant everyone had to stay indoors.

Even farmers except for lambing and milking.

No slurry spreading, non essential, no drilling, non essential, no stock sales, non essential.
Farmers would soon be rioting but it's ok as they can carry on almost as normal.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
It would be a different kettle of fish is the lock down meant everyone had to stay indoors.

Even farmers except for lambing and milking.

No slurry spreading, non essential, no drilling, non essential, no stock sales, non essential.
Farmers would soon be rioting but it's ok as they can carry on almost as normal.
Except that if they have staff they are risking their own lives to keep the country in food
Boris should be clapping for farmers , many who are putting their own family at risk
 
It would be a different kettle of fish is the lock down meant everyone had to stay indoors.

Even farmers except for lambing and milking.

No slurry spreading, non essential, no drilling, non essential, no stock sales, non essential.
Farmers would soon be rioting but it's ok as they can carry on almost as normal.
I’d agree that as farmers we are better off than most as our lives are carrying on with a degree of normality and the same for our buisness.
But buisness as usual it is not, we like all others need to observe social distancing and many are seeing economic impacts as prices for a lot of farm produce is dropping, some quite dramatically. Whilst some are getting furloughed on 80% wages some farmers will be facing an even larger drop in income yet having to work as hard or harder than normal.

However just at the moment I can’t think of a job I’d rather be doing for the health of my family, the relative isolation of the job compared to most others has got to be an advantage before any social distancing measures are taken into account and the fact that we are still able to work is stopping us going stir crazy stuck indoors.

Nor do I agree with your opinion that jobs like slurry spreading or drilling are non essential, they are a necessary part of food production, saying they are not necessary is a bit like saying food shops need to stay open and the lorry’s to deliver but mechanics to look after those lorry’s or tyre fitters, fridge unit engineers and a whole host of others aren’t necessary.
The government hasn’t banned people working, it has shut down some places where large numbers of people congregate and advised where possible people should work from home but it most certainly hasn’t stopped working overall, indeed it’s surprising how many jobs are necessary in the chain to keep society functioning even on tick over.
 

tepapa

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
I’d agree that as farmers we are better off than most as our lives are carrying on with a degree of normality and the same for our buisness.
But buisness as usual it is not, we like all others need to observe social distancing and many are seeing economic impacts as prices for a lot of farm produce is dropping, some quite dramatically. Whilst some are getting furloughed on 80% wages some farmers will be facing an even larger drop in income yet having to work as hard or harder than normal.

However just at the moment I can’t think of a job I’d rather be doing for the health of my family, the relative isolation of the job compared to most others has got to be an advantage before any social distancing measures are taken into account and the fact that we are still able to work is stopping us going stir crazy stuck indoors.

Nor do I agree with your opinion that jobs like slurry spreading or drilling are non essential, they are a necessary part of food production, saying they are not necessary is a bit like saying food shops need to stay open and the lorry’s to deliver but mechanics to look after those lorry’s or tyre fitters, fridge unit engineers and a whole host of others aren’t necessary.
The government hasn’t banned people working, it has shut down some places where large numbers of people congregate and advised where possible people should work from home but it most certainly hasn’t stopped working overall, indeed it’s surprising how many jobs are necessary in the chain to keep society functioning even on tick over.
Just to clarify, I wasn't saying jobs like slurry spreading weren't classed as essential, more the point that some people are moaning as the public are going on walks or going out and about to stay sane or and self employed are attempting to work where possible to try and keep some income.
After 6 months of wet weather, the first dry spell in spring and farmers are busy( in isolation) keeping their businesses going, so they are really bloody lucky. Just saying there would be an uproar if the farmers had been stopped same as non essential product shops. As we know feeding the nation isn't really that important. We can import all the food we need as was the plan pre virus.
 

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