Advice needed on troublesome tractor

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Because the “not fit for purpose won’t work! “ maniyou helped your friend because the finance company got involved. If a tractor is a tractor and does tractor things for over 50 % of the time then it is fit for purpose! If the lift arms have never worked for a single hour and you can prove it then you may get away with not fit for purpose. Or a 6 ton forklift has never been able to life more than 3 tons ever then again you may be able to use that phrase

What you are describing are trade descriptions issues in that the machine fails to achieve the advertised specifications.
"Not fit for purpose" covers the more common sense situation of a machine failing to work in a manner that any person could reasonably expect.
 

Galcam

Member
Don’t u need to make an appointment with your solicitor and have them put all this in writing in a letter to the vendor. Take it from there. But don’t let this define your life and give u high blood pressure. It will get sorted but it will be negotiated by lawyers for both sides and perhaps barristers because your claim may put u in circuit court territory. Good luck!
 

Johnnyboxer

Member
Location
Yorkshire
I’m in Ireland finance is with Bnp paribas which is Uk based. I’ve used the not fit for purpose phrase but no good. I suppose it’s no harm to say what make it is it’s a deutz 6150.4
Laws may be different to UK, in Eire.................but I would contact BNP Paribas direct, especially if it's a Regulated HP agreement (in Eire the regulated bit might be different)
 

ih1455xl

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
northampton
Ours was a 6160.4 ttv pto seals would last 20 hours cab suspension brackets would snap for fun front suspension blocks would crack for fun would randomly release the park brake it spent more time at sdf UK than it did on our farm sdf still tried to argue there was nothing wrong with it Nfu said they would pay up to £6000 legal cost nearly went to court before sdf UK backed down and took the tractor back ours was with DLL finance they were very helpful and also used to having problems with sdf
PM me if you need more help or details on it
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
If you look at it logically all your faults will stem from the injector sleeve

I would imagine coolant got into the fuel which caused you fuel system to fail

If it done 3 reads and was enough pressure in there to burst rad would have done head gasket and caused over heating

It must have been putting a lot of disel in to coolant?

Should have had a new engine if it was I warranty
Spot on. If I was the OP, I’d be claiming that it is obviously this problem that has lead to all the other issues and that Deutz need to put a new engine in FOC at the very least AND refund all workshop payments made to date on this tractor.

Keep us informed @Cmoran please.


PS Don’t ever get on the wrong side with Wright Hassall LLP. They are very, very tough in all that they do. And they specialise in helping the underdogs.
 
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mayos

Member
Location
South
Remember your argument is with the finance company as they own the tractor so speak to them
I think you'll find that your recourse is with the supplying dealer. He/she's the one that took your money/your contract is with.

Same with anything as i understand it, you deal with the supplier, they deal with the manafacturer.
 

Lincsman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I think you'll find that your recourse is with the supplying dealer. He/she's the one that took your money/your contract is with.

Same with anything as i understand it, you deal with the supplier, they deal with the manafacturer.

Not so sure, buy anything with credit card and they are liable if you dont get the item or faulty, you talk to the dealer, but you are buying it off a different company as it is them who will re-posses it.
 
Interesting. I recently noted two Southern Irish dealers, with a one and two year old Deutz 6.140 and 6.165 for sale that had been traded in.

One dealer is a JD and the other Fendt and thought the tractors were being offered at great value considering their age and hours and strange that they would have been traded again so shortly after initial purchase.

There must be strong reasoning for this decision given the bad luck you have had with your tractor. And I would have considered Deutz to be just following behind JD and Fendt.

Possibly assembly or component standards slipping in their plant?
 

Cmoran

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Galway Ireland
It looked extremely clean I’m sure some poor fool thought they got a good deal!! I think there approximately 4000 hours on mine I’ll have to check I’m sure that will go against me when dealing with SDF
 
Have all of the repairs been carried out by the supplying dealer. If so surely they would be keen to put and end to this fiasco,if only for their own reputation never mind the product. How many years warranty did you get with the tractor. Sadly at 3 years old with 4k hours and a major engine failure you could well be on your own.
 

njneer

Member
If you look at it logically all your faults will stem from the injector sleeve

I would imagine coolant got into the fuel which caused you fuel system to fail

If it done 3 reads and was enough pressure in there to burst rad would have done head gasket and caused over heating

It must have been putting a lot of disel in to coolant?

Should have had a new engine if it was I warranty
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Did they identify the source of the fuel,contamination?
From memory the injector sleeve Isolates the injector and the water jacket ,hence why your hairline crack could have been pressurising the coolant system aa the high pressure combustion gasses can pass into the coolant system but the fuel into and out of ( return) the injector have a separate paths entirely and there shouldn’t be any way for it to find its way into the fuel.
 

CPF

Member
Arable Farmer
Just get onto the finance company they own the tractor until your very last payment if you stop the Payments there soon be there to collect it . I was given some advice from an old farmer once never take finance out from the manufacturer even if it’s 0% if anything goes wrong you’re dealing with the finance company involved withThe manufacturer and Will not stand up for you against the Manufacture this came through a few years ago when we had some troublesome tractors in the end the manufacturer had to uplift them and replace them with brand-new ones at no extra cost to us and that was all down to the finance company doing a good job for us.
 

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