Rising taxes

Scholsey

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Herefordshire
As pretty much every major economy in the world has been hit and many of which have taking big loans to pay for it, surely if they all quantitive ease at the same time to make up for the money they have borrowed then nothing would actually change?
 
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Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
As pretty much every major economy in the world has been hit and many of which have taking big loans to pay for it, surely if they all quantitive ease and the same time to make up for the money they have borrowed then nothing would actually change?

Although all economies hit there will be variance between economies, depending on structure of the particular economy. Thus an economy with a larger proportion involving tourism likely to be weaker recovery? So there will be 'first among equals'. ?
 

GeorgeK

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Location
Leicestershire
Although all economies hit there will be variance between economies, depending on structure of the particular economy. Thus an economy with a larger proportion involving tourism likely to be weaker recovery? So there will be 'first among equals'. ?
Yes, the relative values of currencies will shift as the fallout becomes apparent. Ours may weaken, we may see inflation, but some countries will be hit harder. The £ will strengthen in some countries, weaken in others, lord only knows the effect this will have on global trade.
Buy gold, live in a cave!
 

capfits

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The self employed will get caned as a result of this. The Chancellor has already said that the quid pro quo for the SE bailout money will be the equalisation of the tax+NI equation for employed vs self employed. At the moment the SE pay a maximum of 9% NI, vs 12% for employed. However there's also employers NI contributions, which mostly fall on the employee, in the form of lower wages. Thats another 13%+, taking the actual marginal tax rate on a basic rate employee taxpayer to well over 40%. If the Chancellor takes the view that employees are in fact bearing the burden of the employers NI contributions, then he may well consider that the SE should be paying tax at a similar rate, ie a 40%+ basic rate of tax. That would mean a more than 50% increase in the marginal tax rate for the SE.

And it is even worse for those that game it with their ltd company's small wage and heap of Divi Payments.
I find their present squealing a bit nauseating, after they have gamed it for years.

I just made that last bit up, but if needs must, we could always apply a 95% tax rate on all Salaries and Director's skimoffs of over £150 K. I've just invented the term ''skimoffs''.

Think the Beatles got their first

Thanking will be a wealth tax simialer model as to what is in Denmark.
 
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And it is even worse for those that game it with their ltd company's small wage and heap of Divi Payments.
I find their present squealing a bit nauseating, after they have games it for years.

Not that Im one of these people but the Govt could have closed this loophole anytime in the past. It doesnt really ameliorate screwing up businesses for a pandemic now.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
Well judging by the reaction in different countries, maybe I ought. So in UK the general public sought out, cleared and horded Pasta. In the USA the general public sought ought, cleared andhorded firearms and ammunition!?


And the President on the USA decrees gun shops as essential services.


Does make ya think sometimes.


Remember, this guys answer to mass shootings in schools was to arm teachers
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
I'm not even sure that the world's economic system can withstand this 'hit'. It's not beyond possible that there could be a collapse of the whole system worldwide with a need to issue new currency. In any event get ready for negative interest rates and hyper inflation.
Countries that rely on tourism and imported food could be stuffed , like the uk
 

britt

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BASE UK Member
All economies are built on money which doesn't actually exist, it's just pieces of paper, whether bank notes or balance sheets or numbers recorded electronically, they are just promises to pay or a record of an imagined value.
We need to look at where this money has gone. It's still circulating in the economy, as long as it keeps going around and everybody keeps faith in those pieces of paper we should be OK.
It only becomes a problem if the money is syphoned away by buying products (such as medicines, and equipment) from abroad or by bankers.
Given that we are not currently buying foreign holidays or electronic goods, the money should be staying in the country, putting our economy in a better position than many countries.
Of course the real issues is who the government borrows the money from. If they borrow from British people (pension funds etc, remember war bonds ?) or British banks we should be ok (remember it's all just promises on pieces of paper). If they borrow from foreign banks (over which they have no control) they have us by the nuts !
 
As pretty much every major economy in the world has been hit and many of which have taking big loans to pay for it, surely if they all quantitive ease and the same time to make up for the money they have borrowed then nothing would actually change?
Loans from where and from whom?
The IMF? Think we were stitched up by them in the 50's or 60's?, would it really be that hard for our governments to harden the feck up and actually "manage" our way out without unecessary exturnal financial intervention?
Much like someone here quoting our PM, please just cut out the bull s**t ,mate.
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
All economies are built on money which doesn't actually exist, it's just pieces of paper, whether bank notes or balance sheets or numbers recorded electronically, they are just promises to pay or a record of an imagined value.
We need to look at where this money has gone. It's still circulating in the economy, as long as it keeps going around and everybody keeps faith in those pieces of paper we should be OK.
It only becomes a problem if the money is syphoned away by buying products (such as medicines, and equipment) from abroad or by bankers.
Given that we are not currently buying foreign holidays or electronic goods, the money should be staying in the country, putting our economy in a better position than many countries.
Of course the real issues is who the government borrows the money from. If they borrow from British people (pension funds etc, remember war bonds ?) or British banks we should be ok (remember it's all just promises on pieces of paper). If they borrow from foreign banks (over which they have no control) they have us by the nuts !
But it doesnt stay in the country, it gets syphoned off to the cayman islands
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Maybe a land tax ?
Would raise a bit but a drop in the ocean and may even be counter productive.

Farm profitability is dubious,where do you find the funds to pay it?

Some will scale back and produce even less and make the UK food balance of trade even worse when we can ill afford to do that.

Higher VAT on consumer goods is the fairest method,it cannot be avoided,rich or poor however the more you can afford to spend the more tax you pay.
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
Would raise a bit but a drop in the ocean and may even be counter productive.

Farm profitability is dubious,where do you find the funds to pay it?

Some will scale back and produce even less and make the UK food balance of trade even worse when we can ill afford to do that.

Higher VAT on consumer goods is the fairest method,it cannot be avoided,rich or poor however the more you can afford to spend the more tax you pay.
VAT is certsinly not fair, it should be abolished.
A land tax is far more fair.
 

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