Self propelled to Trailed

What is shape of field ,in your pics could you drill with poles ,yes you will have some scooots ,but section control will tidy that up

I thought about this. Gives an awful amount of short work up the other end of that field so as to obviate the advantages. As now set up I thread almost perfectly through the poles. A few 0.3m nudges on the guidance as come up to them coupled with steering axle on the sprayer means you can spray very accurately around them to the point that you don't need a knapsack to clear up if I hit the buttons right. What this season has taught me is something another local estate have done which is to negotiate with the DNO to move some of the worst poles. There are a few less than 36m in from the headland which are a real pain.
 

T Hectares

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Berkshire
@Feldspar if you've selected the most efficient shiny machinery and plotted the best approach on the ground and a pragmatic approach to logistics, then the physical aspects of your business, the travelling between sites, the infield obstacles are what are causing the lack of output, there's not much more you can do is there??
I have a ring fenced farm with a 18.5ha average field size and only a third of those with any infield obstructions, a third of those have been mitigated by stewardship or orientation
The rest is getting out of bed, and making sure Chem's on site and the cropping's planned efficiently and the machines maintained

If you are still not happy then you have to accept that's one of the constraints of your business, then maybe not shouldering that responsibility alone is what needs addressing, another backup driver or bowser support is what needs considering, travelling between farms is a huge killer of output.

I used to work myself silly, fert at night and early morning, spray during the day on 1250ha of spraying and fert through a RB35 on a high input system, I now have a grossly over capacity 6GS which I'll keep for a long time and I'll spend more time with my family and only spray in good conditions, but I still plan with the same attitude to output, it's natural but I don't have the pressure on myself now and that's ultimately what a sustainable business is about in my opinion.

PS, I don't care if my sprayer choice nets my owner an extra Porsche ( they wouldn't care about such materialistic belongings )
They do care about a sustainable profitable business with happy employees though, they also don't care about how many hectares I spray in a day, that pressure is entirely mine...
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
What would you say is an average output in a 12 hr spraying period with your current machine? Assume we don't all have 800 ac in 13 fields like @ajd132 and you have to drive a bit to get between blocks (6-10 miles typical for us).

I'm happy to learn that I'm getting a miserable output and can therefore get much more done and go to bed earlier.
Big mixture of field sizes here. Have done 1000 acres before. Every gateway cut to 12m so only quick fold the Bateman. To be fair I do I get a lot out of the machine but I don’t stop for lunch or coffee, I wee out the door. I wouldn’t expect and employee to do it the way I do. It’s just what I’ve learnt from father, he sprints across the yard with sack barrows of chemical!
 

Banana Bar

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Bury St Edmunds
This is really aimed at our spraying God above. Apologies to everyone else if this appears rather arrogant, but I'm going to defend myself on this one.

Done this.
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Spent ages orientating tramlines to minimise wasted time and to get efficiently around poles. Wrote a spreadsheet to calculate AB lines coordinates to thread through poles.
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And spent literally months perfecting our bowser to absolutely minimise downtime.
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And I think we have one of the better spray stores to making chem mixing as pain free and as quick as possible.
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But maybe it is just my maths ability that's really slowing me down. But then again I didn't think you you had a physics degree from Oxford too so just maybe you can shove your abacus up your induction hopper.

Am I annoyed? Yes.

Superb! I couldn’t begin to understand that spreadsheet but get completely how it works in practise. Well done and thanks for the honest replies.
 

Daniel

Member
@Banana Bar You need this.

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:love: :love:

@Admin, can you lock the thread? The solution has been found.
 

Will7

Member
Big mixture of field sizes here. Have done 1000 acres before. Every gateway cut to 12m so only quick fold the Bateman. To be fair I do I get a lot out of the machine but I don’t stop for lunch or coffee, I wee out the door. I wouldn’t expect and employee to do it the way I do. It’s just what I’ve learnt from father, he sprints across the yard with sack barrows of chemical!
I am an owner driver and this is how I do it, and yes it makes a huge difference to output
 

Will7

Member
Well in that case I'll say you don't know enough about my situation to use the word 'pathetic' if you had me in mind. That's just rude and not what should be done on here if people are taking the time to be honest and not bullshitting about what they do. I'll know more than your average spray operator about agronomy and the interaction with what chemicals are going in the tank. Because I do the agronomy myself and pay the bills for the chemical I can make changes on the fly as fast as anyone. I'm sorry if my land is too spread out for your liking, or that my fields are too small or with too many obstacles. I'll take constructive criticism from those I know actually walk the walk (I'll take @Banana Bar's advice any day of the week as I know he runs a tight ship for example) and have some idea about particular circumstances.
I appear to have upset you, please feel free to substitute the word ‘pathetic’ for ‘disappointing’. I actually had in mind a large farm that ran 3x 36m 5000 litre Batemans with a man in the yard at the time. I was discussing sprayer output with a friend with an interest in that business when they said what an impressive day they had spraying. The figure was large but when you worked it out per metre of sprayer it was.....’disappointing’
 
Agree with this. I send my guy on the sprayer an email every evening / early morning with a plan for the next 2 days. How he does it is up to him but I do spend a long time working out the way for him to minimise washing or all clearing. If he does it differently so be it. I’ve got 2 excellent lads and I trust them to get on with it, they don’t disappoint.

The operator being the lynchpin is why I consistently think that with most machinery issues the best option is the one the operator prefers.
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
If I ever decide to buy a spray rig instead of using my very good contractors, it is far more likely to be 3 or 4 of these, than one 36m machine.
Mounted with “weed it” camera units.
12 m boom at about 12km / hr
Robots, “swarm” technology, small autonomous drones - they are the way of the future

 
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Fragonard

Member
This is really aimed at our spraying God above. Apologies to everyone else if this appears rather arrogant, but I'm going to defend myself on this one.

Done this.
View attachment 881093

Spent ages orientating tramlines to minimise wasted time and to get efficiently around poles. Wrote a spreadsheet to calculate AB lines coordinates to thread through poles.
View attachment 881094
View attachment 881097

And spent literally months perfecting our bowser to absolutely minimise downtime.
View attachment 881095

And I think we have one of the better spray stores to making chem mixing as pain free and as quick as possible.
View attachment 881096

But maybe it is just my maths ability that's really slowing me down. But then again I didn't think you you had a physics degree from Oxford too so just maybe you can shove your abacus up your induction hopper.

Am I annoyed? Yes.
Brilliant set up. Spotless machines. Great that you can tweak the spray, as you monitor your crops. Some people let the agronomist instruct the driver of what to spray, with neither of them knowing, or caring what the prices of the inputs are.
 

Hereward

Member
Location
Peterborough
No wonder you want to cut down chemical use. If you don't even have time to stop for a pee.

Doesn't sound like much of a life.
It things are so tight you cannot stop for a toilet break and you have to run across the yard with chemical cans, apart from raising an initial smile, it's a bit sad. I'd sooner be greeted with the sight of a cup of tea being brought out into the yard than someone running with an armful of chemical cans!
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
It things are so tight you cannot stop for a toilet break and you have to run across the yard with chemical cans, apart from raising an initial smile, it's a bit sad. I'd sooner be greeted with the sight of a cup of tea being brought out into the yard than someone running with an armful of cans!
Sound like typical contract farming heroes.

Undercut everyone to get the job. Then don't have time to stop for a p!$$
 

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