The NFU backs gene editing. Do you ?
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shakerator
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If we’d had gene editing technology we would have had 70mm of rain in May.
it’s that good
it’s that good
Use of innovative Plant breeding technology will be essential to enable growers to meet challenges of reduced availability and use of active ingredients and may go some way to improving sustainability.
Do people “really” want us to farm without the benefit of modern technology? I’m not sure the Landworkers would want a return to the methods and business structure characterised in the days of the Tolpuddle martyrs.
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as farmers we are better off having freedom of choice with the ability to segregate seed and chemical inputs. This Maintains competition. The problem is post patent chemistry is not defended as there is no money in it. All eggs in a package agronomy basket is an economic disaster waiting to happen. As well as setting precedent against saving seeds. In the US anyone who saves corn or soybean seed is treated with suspicion- such is the dominance of Roundup ready , bt corn etc etc
the same model exists with hybrids, a more PC business model of GMO’s , with the same basic business model based on protecting intellectual property plant breeding rights
It’s already happening @ajd132 In a recent TAG meeting we were hearing about an new variety called Wolverine that has BYDV resistance. According to TAG there is a proposal to price this at a seed price + the “cost saved” of BYDV application. Also I believe this variety will be subject to the BIPO plant royalty system which means you will be paying more even if home saving.
We should nationalise this technology for the good of the populace!
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in simple forms, its been happening for decades, without any one complaining, crossing one plant type with another, hybrid animals, mules etc, what we are talking about now, is different, replacing the plant/animals gene type, with another, to, for example, make it withstand round-up. In the animal field, altering the genes, in pigs, so their organs can be used for transplants in humans, bit scary, but helps a lot of people. And a lot of what we know about, is actually quite good, the problem is with what we don't know about, yet. Scientists, by nature, are ultra curious, they achieve a good result, and then its the 'what if, syndrome' and they start experimenting with the weird. Putting animal genes, into plants etc, not at all sure.
The other points to remember, is if, a disease like c19 doesn't reduce population, dramatically, it will become increasingly difficult to feed the rapidly increasing world population, and, if gene editing, can make it possible, to substantially increase food production, who are we, to deny the starveling ? As the UK is a 'rich' country, which happens to import nearly 50 % of our food, if the countries, we import from, use the new technology, where else do we go ? For good, or bad, we will increasingly be affected by this 'editing'.
The other points to remember, is if, a disease like c19 doesn't reduce population, dramatically, it will become increasingly difficult to feed the rapidly increasing world population, and, if gene editing, can make it possible, to substantially increase food production, who are we, to deny the starveling ? As the UK is a 'rich' country, which happens to import nearly 50 % of our food, if the countries, we import from, use the new technology, where else do we go ? For good, or bad, we will increasingly be affected by this 'editing'.
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If the uk can’t use these techniques
gm gene editing Neo nicks then we should not import from countries that do
this year because of banning a safe seed dressing more chemical insecticide has been used and with osr half the crop of 5 years ago yet we will import 1million tonnes of rape from countries that can use gm gene editing and neo nicks
as an nfu member I back the nfu in their support
if we cannot use the latest tested tec then there will be only imported food for the majority within 10 years
gm gene editing Neo nicks then we should not import from countries that do
this year because of banning a safe seed dressing more chemical insecticide has been used and with osr half the crop of 5 years ago yet we will import 1million tonnes of rape from countries that can use gm gene editing and neo nicks
as an nfu member I back the nfu in their support
if we cannot use the latest tested tec then there will be only imported food for the majority within 10 years
You might be correct but at the rate Government is handing out £ notes ??? at the moment I think they will want to charge us to get some back ?
i don’t understand why they don’t have member ballots on these very fundamental policy issues like this and Brexit
is that too much to ask from a orgsnation that claims to democratically represent its members ?
it’s really not hard to organise with technology these days so practical limitations are just not excuse
the fact they don’t creates serous questions in my mind, i think are afraid of the results they might get and truly think they know better than their membership - Brexit policy being a great example of that arrogance
this is my concern - who REALLY benefits ?
i have no issue with the technology but why as farmers do we want to be more dependant on input suppliers to help us supply already oversupplied food ?
all this does is drive prices down and input spend up
........... lemmings !
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So have Landworkers Alliance had a democratic vote of all their members?
Moves afoot in France from government to ban herbicide resistant varieties ...... so no Clearfield ?
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Personally I disagree with it but that might be because I don't really understand it. I have a few comments whizzing around inside my head that I'll just jot down because I'm shagged today!
we haven't made the most of marketing our non gm produce and been importing gm animal/human feed like there's no tomorrow.......... like WTF?!!!! That seems fcking strange in my book but there you go, the worlds pretty fcked.
So we might as well jump on the band wagon and sell ourselves for ever more to the likes of Bayer/ Monsanto or who ever they are. We'll invest millions into the job and likely won't get the technology ourselves but instead give to to some third world country or whatever in exchange for building a dam or selling them some tellies.
It's all b0llocks imo.
we haven't made the most of marketing our non gm produce and been importing gm animal/human feed like there's no tomorrow.......... like WTF?!!!! That seems fcking strange in my book but there you go, the worlds pretty fcked.
So we might as well jump on the band wagon and sell ourselves for ever more to the likes of Bayer/ Monsanto or who ever they are. We'll invest millions into the job and likely won't get the technology ourselves but instead give to to some third world country or whatever in exchange for building a dam or selling them some tellies.
It's all b0llocks imo.
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As I see it gene editing is a quicker way of plant breeding.
If varieties such as Wolverine save an insecticide treatment then I am all for it. If they can come up with CSFB resistant OSR then great. Blossom midge resistance - tick, septoria resistance - yes please. Nitrogen fixing wheat, superb. Perennial nitrogen fixing wheat even better. The list goes on.
It has got to be a worldwide ban, or we are all allowed to use it. Why put us at a competitive disadvantage in the world market.
I get the bit about being a slave to the multinationals - but isn't that modern life - we are anyway. Google, Amazon, Vodaphone, Tescos, John Deere, Bayer etc etc
If varieties such as Wolverine save an insecticide treatment then I am all for it. If they can come up with CSFB resistant OSR then great. Blossom midge resistance - tick, septoria resistance - yes please. Nitrogen fixing wheat, superb. Perennial nitrogen fixing wheat even better. The list goes on.
It has got to be a worldwide ban, or we are all allowed to use it. Why put us at a competitive disadvantage in the world market.
I get the bit about being a slave to the multinationals - but isn't that modern life - we are anyway. Google, Amazon, Vodaphone, Tescos, John Deere, Bayer etc etc
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Seems a bit silly to write off a new technology just because you're not sure about some of the ways it may be used.
Potentially its another tool in the box, all kinds of opportunities may come from it.
Potentially its another tool in the box, all kinds of opportunities may come from it.
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I did admit I didn't understand the technology well!
what makes you think we wont become the tools and some other bvgger will be carrying the box?
Exactly, why farmers are so blind to this is beyond belief. Absolute lemmings.